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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:00 pm

flok wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:48 pm
Graham Banks wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:50 pm
flok wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:12 pm
Surprised I am, enormously.
A nice surprise though. :)

Perhaps 2.0.0 is stronger on 1CPU than 1.0.3. I'll run a gauntlet soon to find out.
I'm sorry but this can't be right :-)
Are you sure Embla did not played with multiple threads? Definitely not.
Because that version you played with is in my own tests at least 120 elo weaker than dorpsgek:

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Rank Name                  Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws
   2 dorpsgek             2195    2    4 374418   62%  2108   28%
  56 4875                 2072   10   10  3569   33%  2195   27%
4875 is Embla, a bit more recent than 2.0.0 even.

Also: even with 4 cores and by cheating a little (Dorpsgek in a VM and Embla directly on hardware) it is still 20 elo weaker:

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Rank Name                  Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   2 dorpsgek             2195    2    4 374506   62%  2108   28% 
   5 neo-b                2174   10   10  3764   47%  2195   29% 
(neo-b is also Embla)

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CCRL 40/40 Rating List - Custom engine selection
919978 games played by 2269 programs, run by 22 testers
Ponder off, General books (up to 12 moves), 3-4-5 piece EGTB
Time control: Equivalent to 40 moves in 40 minutes on Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz), about 15 minutes on a modern Intel CPU.
Computed on November 3, 2018 with Bayeselo based on 919'978 games
Tested by CCRL team, 2005-2018, http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/

Rank               Engine                Elo   +    -   Score  AvOp  Games
   Embla 2.0.0 64-bit                 2393 +332 -230  83.3% -226.0     6
 1 Weini 0.0.23 64-bit                2241  +20  -20  48.6%   +9.5  1091
   Weini 0.0.24 64-bit                2232 +244 -244  50.0%  -21.7     6
 2 Tiny Chess 1.46 64-bit             2230  +22  -22  49.7%   +1.0   738
 3 Robocide 20170718 64-bit           2225  +19  -20  49.6%   +2.5   974
 4 Baislicka 1.0 64-bit               2208  +22  -22  46.3%  +28.2   748
 5 Dorpsgek Eve's Temptation 64-bit   2205  +17  -17  51.1%   -8.6  1365
 6 NG-Play 9.87 64-bit                2197  +20  -20  46.6%  +22.1   919
 7 GopherCheck 0.2.3 64-bit           2196  +21  -21  50.3%   -1.7   770
 8 Soldat III 0.187 64-bit            2175  +23  -23  47.5%  +18.2   661
 9 RamJet 0.14                        2171  +20  -20  51.2%  -10.9   990
10 Embla 1.0.3 64-bit                 2167  +20  -20  50.9%   -5.7   948
11 Clever Girl r185 64-bit            2154  +26  -26  47.1%  +20.0   502
12 Tunguska 1.0 64-bit                2136  +22  -23  45.9%  +31.7   709
13 Prophet3 20180811 64-bit           2108  +32  -32  53.8%  -28.9   371
   Hedgehog 1.91 64-bit               2100 +232 -276  30.0%  +91.8     5
14 Little Wing 0.5.0 64-bit           2067  +22  -22  49.0%   +6.6   834
15 Barbarossa 0.3.0 64-bit            2029  +33  -33  45.2%  +33.6   326
Not enough games to jump to conclusions yet of course.
Definitely a poor tourney for Dorpsgek so far, but less than 20 rounds played so far.
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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by xr_a_y » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:59 pm

flok wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:48 pm
Graham Banks wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:50 pm
flok wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:12 pm
Surprised I am, enormously.
A nice surprise though. :)

Perhaps 2.0.0 is stronger on 1CPU than 1.0.3. I'll run a gauntlet soon to find out.
I'm sorry but this can't be right :-)
Are you sure Embla did not played with multiple threads?
Because that version you played with is in my own tests at least 120 elo weaker than dorpsgek:

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Rank Name                  Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws
   2 dorpsgek             2195    2    4 374418   62%  2108   28%
  56 4875                 2072   10   10  3569   33%  2195   27%
4875 is Embla, a bit more recent than 2.0.0 even.

Also: even with 4 cores and by cheating a little (Dorpsgek in a VM and Embla directly on hardware) it is still 20 elo weaker:

Code: Select all

Rank Name                  Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   2 dorpsgek             2195    2    4 374506   62%  2108   28% 
   5 neo-b                2174   10   10  3764   47%  2195   29% 
(neo-b is also Embla)
I had experiment myself some trouble playing against dorpsgek. One day Weini is equal (+/-20), the other day -100(+/-20). Last month I tracked a supposed regression for days based on that kind of match against dorpsgek and never really found it. I mainly use CT800 or Isa now when I do 1on1 test matches (and many engines for graunlet).

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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:21 pm

71ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 9)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Popbooks-MiLo.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 30 rounds
All engines 64-bit where available
The top engine will gain automatic promotion. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches. This will be the final series that both Barbarossa and Tunguska are eligible for unless new versions are released.
Standings after Round 16

12.5 - Embla 2.0.0 64-bit
11.5 - Tiny Chess 1.4.6 64-bit
11.0 - NGplay 9.87b 64-bit
10.5 - Clever Girl r185 64-bit
9.0 - Robocide 20170718 64-bit
8.5 - Soldat III 0.187 64-bit
8.5 - Weini 0.0.24 64-bit
7.5 - GopherCheck 0.2.3 64-bit
7.5 - Baislicka 1.0 64-bit
7.0 - Prophet 3 20180811 64-bit
7.0 - Tunguska 1.0 64-bit
6.5 - RamJet 0.14
6.0 - Barbarossa 0.4.0 DJ 64-bit
5.5 - Little Wing 0.5.0 64-bit
5.0 - Hedgehog 1.91 64-bit
4.5 - Dorpsgek Eve's Temptation 64-bit


Games and standings will be available after every four rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=10447

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16002
My email addresses:
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:59 pm

71ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 9)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Popbooks-MiLo.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 30 rounds
All engines 64-bit where available
The top engine will gain automatic promotion. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches. This will be the final series that both Barbarossa and Tunguska are eligible for unless new versions are released.
Standings after Round 20

14.5 - NGplay 9.87b 64-bit
14.0 - Embla 2.0.0 64-bit
13.5 - Tiny Chess 1.4.6 64-bit
12.5 - Clever Girl r185 64-bit
12.0 - Weini 0.0.24 64-bit
11.0 - Soldat III 0.187 64-bit
11.0 - Tunguska 1.0 64-bit
10.5 - Robocide 20170718 64-bit
9.0 - Baislicka 1.0 64-bit
8.5 - GopherCheck 0.2.3 64-bit
8.0 - Prophet 3 20180811 64-bit
7.5 - Dorpsgek Eve's Temptation 64-bit
7.5 - RamJet 0.14
7.5 - Hedgehog 1.91 64-bit
7.0 - Little Wing 0.5.0 64-bit
6.0 - Barbarossa 0.4.0 DJ 64-bit


Games and standings will be available after every four rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=10447

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16002
My email addresses:
gbanksnz at gmail.com
gbanksnz at yahoo.co.nz

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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:21 pm

71ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 9)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Popbooks-MiLo.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 30 rounds
All engines 64-bit where available
The top engine will gain automatic promotion. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches. This will be the final series that both Barbarossa and Tunguska are eligible for unless new versions are released.
Standings after Round 24

17.0 - Tiny Chess 1.4.6 64-bit
16.0 - Embla 2.0.0 64-bit
16.0 - NGplay 9.87b 64-bit
15.5 - Weini 0.0.24 64-bit
14.0 - Soldat III 0.187 64-bit
14.0 - Clever Girl r185 64-bit
13.0 - Robocide 20170718 64-bit
12.5 - Tunguska 1.0 64-bit
11.0 - Prophet 3 20180811 64-bit
11.0 - GopherCheck 0.2.3 64-bit
10.5 - Baislicka 1.0 64-bit
10.0 - RamJet 0.14
9.0 - Hedgehog 1.91 64-bit
8.5 - Dorpsgek Eve's Temptation 64-bit
7.0 - Barbarossa 0.4.0 DJ 64-bit
7.0 - Little Wing 0.5.0 64-bit


Games and standings will be available after every four rounds from the following link:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... =7&t=10447

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16002
My email addresses:
gbanksnz at gmail.com
gbanksnz at yahoo.co.nz

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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:17 pm

71ST AMATEUR SERIES (Division 9)

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Popbooks-MiLo.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 30 rounds
All engines 64-bit where available
The top engine will gain automatic promotion. Any other changes of division will be at my discretion and may not necessarily involve playoff matches. This will be the final series that both Barbarossa and Tunguska are eligible for unless new versions are released.
Final Standings

20.5 - Tiny Chess 1.4.6 64-bit
20.0 - Embla 2.0.0 64-bit
18.5 - Clever Girl r185 64-bit
18.5 - NGplay 9.87b 64-bit
18.0 - Weini 0.0.24 64-bit
17.5 - Robocide 20170718 64-bit
16.5 - Soldat III 0.187 64-bit
15.5 - Tunguska 1.0 64-bit
14.5 - Prophet 3 20180811 64-bit
14.0 - RamJet 0.14
14.0 - Baislicka 1.0 64-bit
13.5 - GopherCheck 0.2.3 64-bit
11.5 - Dorpsgek Eve's Temptation 64-bit
10.0 - Hedgehog 1.91 64-bit
9.0 - Little Wing 0.5.0 64-bit
8.5 - Barbarossa 0.4.0 DJ 64-bit


The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be dwnloaded here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=43066
My email addresses:
gbanksnz at gmail.com
gbanksnz at yahoo.co.nz

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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by Graham Banks » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:19 pm

Thanks to the NGplay, Weini and Hedgehog authors for supporting the live broadcast. :)
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Re: 71st Amateur Series Division 9

Post by xr_a_y » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:53 am

Graham Banks wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:19 pm
Thanks to the NGplay, Weini and Hedgehog authors for supporting the live broadcast. :)
And thank you for the tournament !

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