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Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by kranium » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:17 pm

Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by pilgrimdan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:45 pm

kranium wrote:Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332
I like this quote the best ...

Levon Aronian: "I am very excited but I am not sure about the conditions."

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by Leo » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:48 pm

pilgrimdan wrote:
kranium wrote:Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332
I like this quote the best ...

Levon Aronian: "I am very excited but I am not sure about the conditions."
I love it. Many of us are unsure also.
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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by Laskos » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:25 pm

kranium wrote:Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332
Strange Tord nitpicking on time control issue. That's a bit silly for a 28-0 score. Other thing of Tord and of some GMs are interesting.

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by tmokonen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:44 pm

pilgrimdan wrote: I like this quote the best ...

Levon Aronian: "I am very excited but I am not sure about the conditions."
I like the fact that he uses a five year old engine for analysis. Engine playing strength isn't as important as it seems for the super GMs.

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by Milos » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:53 pm

kranium wrote:Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332
One of the most interesting and probably truthful comments after the article:
In one word: it seems that the Google job was advertising of the lowest kind, not public clarity. And that's about the lowest thing you can say about people claiming to be dedicated to science. Even if they had significant success, these news have NO CLASS and NO STYLE. And Google, as always, has no interest in public clarity or science as such at all, but only in the fastest way of getting more power and money from misusing public data in monopolistic and oligopolic data mining structures.

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by MikeB » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:16 am

kranium wrote:Interesting reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs at the London Chess Classic, and a lengthy comment from Tord Romstad:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/alphaze ... ish-author

link to the video clips from above article:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207621332
+1 Thanks for sharing - found comments very interesting - some themes:

alphazero demonstrated chess is not as dead (drawish) as one might think
alphazero play was very different from today's engines and it was obvious they recognized the play as being at a higher level from the todays engines.

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by jdart » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:03 am

Several GMs were quite excited about having a super stronger-than-Stockfish engine, but Nakamura and Aronian were (rightfully, I think) skeptical that this is actually what the Google team produced, or even if they did, that it would be a a real game-changer.

I also found interesting Tord's comment to the effect that, if tuning based on massive compute clusters is the new state of the art in chess programming, this is going to shut out most of the amateur developers, who don't have and can't afford the required level of computing power.

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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by shrapnel » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:43 am

but only in the fastest way of getting more power and money from misusing public data in monopolistic and oligopolic data mining structures.
Really ?
In the first place, I don't see any Advertisements by them selling AlphaZero, so where is the question of them making money ?
Secondly, if they really wanted to make money, they would have to adapt AlphaZero so that it would at least run on High-End computers with powerful Graphic Cards like the nVidia Titan.
In that case, they fully deserve all the Profit they make, as AlphaZero simply DESTROYS all modern chess programs, whether the old men here who spent their whole lives using/developing those chess programs like it or not.
Darwinian Laws are at work here. Adapt, or become a part of History.
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Re: Reactions about AlphaZero from top GMs...

Post by Laskos » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:20 am

MikeB wrote:
alphazero demonstrated chess is not as dead (drawish) as one might think
That is your impression? I have the completely opposite impression. That thing on super-hardware completely smacked SF8, 28-0, with 72% draw rate. Having a completely different approach and play. I would be curious what is the draw rate in AlphaZero self-play, I guess above 90%. IMHO, it only shows that the current increasing draw rates of "regular" engines are only mildly determined by similar techniques used. And extrapolations to some low Elo bound are not that off.

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