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Rating close to fide elo

Post by Ferdy » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:45 am

Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.

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Re: Rating close to fide elo

Post by Laskos » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:47 am

Ferdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
There was a discussion on this in this thread
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506

It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.

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Re: Rating close to fide elo

Post by Ferdy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:06 am

Laskos wrote:
Ferdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
There was a discussion on this in this thread
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506

It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
Thanks.
I also found some Mephistos,

http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb432434/level.htm

and it also fortunate that Ed had shared in uci some of these engines.

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Re: Rating close to fide elo

Post by Ferdy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:26 am

Laskos wrote:
Ferdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
There was a discussion on this in this thread
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506

It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
From SSDF based on long TC:

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13   %138040 games played by  353 computers							
                                           Rating   +	  -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
298 Mephisto Amsterdam  68000 12 MHz        1828   22   -21  1016   57%  1776
So this could be around Elo 1978 +/- 21

In Blitz game, I got this:

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Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540]
Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84

50 of 50 games finished.
Running ordo and Mephisto Amsterdam set at 1978:

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   # PLAYER                :  RATING   +/-   GAMES  PTS(%)  CFS(next)
   1 CDrill 1800           :  2006.3  50.0      50    54.0         71
   2 Mephisto Amsterdam    :  1978.0  50.0      50    46.0        ---

White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
Disregarding the impact of TC, this could be a good reference at around elo 2000.

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laskos

Post by Laskos » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:03 am

Ferdy wrote:
Laskos wrote:
Ferdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
There was a discussion on this in this thread
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506

It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
From SSDF based on long TC:

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13   %138040 games played by  353 computers							
                                           Rating   +	  -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
298 Mephisto Amsterdam  68000 12 MHz        1828   22   -21  1016   57%  1776
So this could be around Elo 1978 +/- 21

In Blitz game, I got this:

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Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540]
Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84

50 of 50 games finished.
Running ordo and Mephisto Amsterdam set at 1978:

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   # PLAYER                :  RATING   +/-   GAMES  PTS(%)  CFS(next)
   1 CDrill 1800           :  2006.3  50.0      50    54.0         71
   2 Mephisto Amsterdam    :  1978.0  50.0      50    46.0        ---

White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
Disregarding the impact of TC, this could be a good reference at around elo 2000.
I would say this is the FIDE rating. The USCF rating of Mephisto Amsterdam is about 2119, according to this site
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/l ... _1993.html .
So, it seems CDrill 1800 is about 2000 FIDE, and 2150 USCF.

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Re: laskos

Post by Ferdy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:13 pm

Laskos wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Laskos wrote:
Ferdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
There was a discussion on this in this thread
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506

It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
From SSDF based on long TC:

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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13   %138040 games played by  353 computers							
                                           Rating   +	  -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
298 Mephisto Amsterdam  68000 12 MHz        1828   22   -21  1016   57%  1776
So this could be around Elo 1978 +/- 21

In Blitz game, I got this:

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Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540]
Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84

50 of 50 games finished.
Running ordo and Mephisto Amsterdam set at 1978:

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   # PLAYER                :  RATING   +/-   GAMES  PTS(%)  CFS(next)
   1 CDrill 1800           :  2006.3  50.0      50    54.0         71
   2 Mephisto Amsterdam    :  1978.0  50.0      50    46.0        ---

White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
Disregarding the impact of TC, this could be a good reference at around elo 2000.
I would say this is the FIDE rating. The USCF rating of Mephisto Amsterdam is about 2119, according to this site
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/l ... _1993.html .
So, it seems CDrill 1800 is about 2000 FIDE, and 2150 USCF.
Right CDrill 1800 is close to 2000.

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Re: laskos

Post by Carlos777 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:42 pm

A little tournament I ran at 10'+2", single thread, core i5-2400:

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No. Engine                      1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9    10    11    12    13    14  Score  Games   Perc   Moves
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 Hayabusa 0.11.7          xxxxx   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   26.0 /   26 (100.00%)  18.7  
 2 Warrior 1.03               0.0 xxxxx   2.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   22.0 /   26 (84.62%)  21.9  
 3 CDrill 1800                0.0   0.0 xxxxx   0.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   20.0 /   26 (76.92%)  20.6  
 4 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy           0.0   0.5   2.0 xxxxx   2.0   2.0   0.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   19.5 /   26 (75.00%)  23.3  
 5 Ajetac 2.73b               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0 xxxxx   1.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   16.0 /   26 (61.54%)  21.1  
 6 Jester 0.84                0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0 xxxxx   1.0   2.0   1.5   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   14.5 /   26 (55.77%)  26.0  
 7 TSCP 1.81                  0.0   0.0   0.0   2.0   1.0   1.0 xxxxx   0.0   1.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   14.5 /   26 (55.77%)  21.9  
 8 Marginal 0.1               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   2.0 xxxxx   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   13.0 /   26 (50.00%)  33.1  
 9 Rodent Amateur Attack      0.0   1.0   0.0   1.0   0.0   0.5   1.0   0.0 xxxxx   0.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   10.5 /   26 (40.38%)  30.1  
10 Satana 2.4.19b             0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.5   1.0   2.0 xxxxx   0.5   1.5   2.0   2.0    9.5 /   26 (36.54%)  42.3  
11 Szint_Daysi 1494           0.0   0.5   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.5 xxxxx   1.0   2.0   2.0    8.0 /   26 (30.77%)  26.9  
12 Phalanx XXV easy30         0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0   0.5   1.0 xxxxx   2.0   2.0    6.5 /   26 (25.00%)  20.4  
13 Xadreco 5.7                0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0 xxxxx   1.5    1.5 /   26 (5.77%)  26.1  
14 SeaHorse 1.0               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.5 xxxxx    0.5 /   26 (1.92%)  14.5  
My rating list for some under 2000 ELO engines (same conditions as the above tournament)

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 # Player                   :      Elo  Games  Score%  won
   1 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy         :  2010.84    202    77.5  145
   2 Leonidas r83             :  1962.22    112    55.8   55
   3 Sharper 0.17             :  1959.39    112    55.4   51
   4 BigLion 2.23x            :  1945.27    112    53.1   48
   5 Warrior 1.03             :  1915.40    208    67.1  122
   6 Morphy 3.22              :  1892.30    225    64.4  125
   7 Roce 0.0390              :  1862.55    156    52.6   70
   8 Freechess II 2.17b       :  1857.15    120    45.8   48
   9 Predateur 2.2.1          :  1809.73    152    53.9   71
  10 Ajetac 2.73b             :  1808.23    124    59.3   63
  11 Robin 0.983              :  1740.30    201    57.0   94
  12 Kanguruh 1.93            :  1729.15    117    51.3   52
  13 Testina 3c               :  1707.64    128    53.5   55
  14 TSCP 1.81                :  1700.00    188    51.3   78
  15 Aldebaran 0.7.0          :  1660.38    181    48.9   60
  16 Chenard 2015             :  1659.99    191    48.2   75
  17 Jester 0.84              :  1608.62    177    44.4   62
  18 Dorpsgek-Ambrosia 3      :  1593.67    191    46.3   72
  19 Dchess 1.02              :  1589.35    225    49.8   93
  20 IQ23 0.03                :  1576.32    184    53.0   64
  21 Polar 1.3                :  1556.70    194    52.6   85
  22 Storm 0.6                :  1548.39    175    46.6   64
  23 AdaChess 2.1             :  1537.18    164    49.7   68
  24 Rainman 0.75             :  1528.37    207    48.1   80
  25 Pigeon 1.37              :  1523.58    112    49.6   39
  26 Needle 0.531             :  1513.89    184    52.7   77
  27 Marginal 0.1             :  1497.10    135    51.1   64
  28 Predateur 0.1.5          :  1481.34    220    43.0   79
  29 Hokus Pokus 0.63         :  1471.09    164    51.2   63
  30 Larsen 0.05              :  1455.44    156    44.9   58
  31 Madchess 2.0 1600ELO     :  1433.60    198    55.1   90
  32 CM Josh Age 8            :  1426.21    170    54.7   78
  33 Rodent II Sam            :  1424.91    100    49.5   40
  34 TarraschToy 0.906        :  1419.64    128    57.8   65
  35 Goyaz 0.07               :  1412.59    176    51.7   77
  36 Jupiter 0.01             :  1409.41    190    45.3   68
  37 Ozwald 0.43              :  1405.89    163    49.7   62
  38 Rodent Amateur Attack    :  1401.58    172    53.8   83
  39 Gedeone 1620             :  1397.61    180    51.7   74
  40 Nero 6.1                 :  1377.31    161    51.2   65
  41 Numpty Recharged         :  1362.74    164    50.0   64
  42 Eden 0.013               :  1352.70    158    50.6   70
  43 Greko 2015 ML 1600       :  1321.19    168    58.0   91
  44 Satana 2.4.19b           :  1286.60    136    46.0   38
  45 Virutor Chess 1.1.2      :  1272.98    171    59.6   96
  46 Suff 0.3a                :  1272.05    208    46.4   75
  47 Marquis 1.6              :  1170.32    146    55.8   71
  48 Junior 13.3 1600ELO      :  1170.01    163    40.5   50
  49 Szint_Daysi 1494         :  1161.38    168    35.1   52
  50 Pierre 1.7               :  1133.02    152    58.2   82
  51 Phalanx XXV easy30       :  1022.22    142    49.3   65
  52 Xadreco 5.7              :   881.30    142    34.2   44
  53 Cassandre 0.26           :   877.23    108    29.2   15
  54 Giuchess 1.0             :   780.88    137    27.0   27
  55 Fimbulwinter 5.05        :   729.15    142    19.4   24
  56 Delfi 1000               :   679.67    144    15.3   16

White advantage = 24.62
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 20.11 %
CDrill is around 2000 aprox. as you said.

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Re: laskos

Post by Ferdy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:50 pm

Carlos777 wrote:A little tournament I ran at 10'+2", single thread, core i5-2400:

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No. Engine                      1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9    10    11    12    13    14  Score  Games   Perc   Moves
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 Hayabusa 0.11.7          xxxxx   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   26.0 /   26 (100.00%)  18.7  
 2 Warrior 1.03               0.0 xxxxx   2.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   22.0 /   26 (84.62%)  21.9  
 3 CDrill 1800                0.0   0.0 xxxxx   0.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   20.0 /   26 (76.92%)  20.6  
 4 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy           0.0   0.5   2.0 xxxxx   2.0   2.0   0.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   19.5 /   26 (75.00%)  23.3  
 5 Ajetac 2.73b               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0 xxxxx   1.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   16.0 /   26 (61.54%)  21.1  
 6 Jester 0.84                0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0 xxxxx   1.0   2.0   1.5   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   14.5 /   26 (55.77%)  26.0  
 7 TSCP 1.81                  0.0   0.0   0.0   2.0   1.0   1.0 xxxxx   0.0   1.0   1.5   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   14.5 /   26 (55.77%)  21.9  
 8 Marginal 0.1               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   2.0 xxxxx   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   2.0   13.0 /   26 (50.00%)  33.1  
 9 Rodent Amateur Attack      0.0   1.0   0.0   1.0   0.0   0.5   1.0   0.0 xxxxx   0.0   2.0   1.0   2.0   2.0   10.5 /   26 (40.38%)  30.1  
10 Satana 2.4.19b             0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.5   1.0   2.0 xxxxx   0.5   1.5   2.0   2.0    9.5 /   26 (36.54%)  42.3  
11 Szint_Daysi 1494           0.0   0.5   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.5 xxxxx   1.0   2.0   2.0    8.0 /   26 (30.77%)  26.9  
12 Phalanx XXV easy30         0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   1.0   0.5   1.0 xxxxx   2.0   2.0    6.5 /   26 (25.00%)  20.4  
13 Xadreco 5.7                0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0 xxxxx   1.5    1.5 /   26 (5.77%)  26.1  
14 SeaHorse 1.0               0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.5 xxxxx    0.5 /   26 (1.92%)  14.5  
My rating list for some under 2000 ELO engines (same conditions as the above tournament)

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 # Player                   :      Elo  Games  Score%  won
   1 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy         :  2010.84    202    77.5  145
   2 Leonidas r83             :  1962.22    112    55.8   55
   3 Sharper 0.17             :  1959.39    112    55.4   51
   4 BigLion 2.23x            :  1945.27    112    53.1   48
   5 Warrior 1.03             :  1915.40    208    67.1  122
   6 Morphy 3.22              :  1892.30    225    64.4  125
   7 Roce 0.0390              :  1862.55    156    52.6   70
   8 Freechess II 2.17b       :  1857.15    120    45.8   48
   9 Predateur 2.2.1          :  1809.73    152    53.9   71
  10 Ajetac 2.73b             :  1808.23    124    59.3   63
  11 Robin 0.983              :  1740.30    201    57.0   94
  12 Kanguruh 1.93            :  1729.15    117    51.3   52
  13 Testina 3c               :  1707.64    128    53.5   55
  14 TSCP 1.81                :  1700.00    188    51.3   78
  15 Aldebaran 0.7.0          :  1660.38    181    48.9   60
  16 Chenard 2015             :  1659.99    191    48.2   75
  17 Jester 0.84              :  1608.62    177    44.4   62
  18 Dorpsgek-Ambrosia 3      :  1593.67    191    46.3   72
  19 Dchess 1.02              :  1589.35    225    49.8   93
  20 IQ23 0.03                :  1576.32    184    53.0   64
  21 Polar 1.3                :  1556.70    194    52.6   85
  22 Storm 0.6                :  1548.39    175    46.6   64
  23 AdaChess 2.1             :  1537.18    164    49.7   68
  24 Rainman 0.75             :  1528.37    207    48.1   80
  25 Pigeon 1.37              :  1523.58    112    49.6   39
  26 Needle 0.531             :  1513.89    184    52.7   77
  27 Marginal 0.1             :  1497.10    135    51.1   64
  28 Predateur 0.1.5          :  1481.34    220    43.0   79
  29 Hokus Pokus 0.63         :  1471.09    164    51.2   63
  30 Larsen 0.05              :  1455.44    156    44.9   58
  31 Madchess 2.0 1600ELO     :  1433.60    198    55.1   90
  32 CM Josh Age 8            :  1426.21    170    54.7   78
  33 Rodent II Sam            :  1424.91    100    49.5   40
  34 TarraschToy 0.906        :  1419.64    128    57.8   65
  35 Goyaz 0.07               :  1412.59    176    51.7   77
  36 Jupiter 0.01             :  1409.41    190    45.3   68
  37 Ozwald 0.43              :  1405.89    163    49.7   62
  38 Rodent Amateur Attack    :  1401.58    172    53.8   83
  39 Gedeone 1620             :  1397.61    180    51.7   74
  40 Nero 6.1                 :  1377.31    161    51.2   65
  41 Numpty Recharged         :  1362.74    164    50.0   64
  42 Eden 0.013               :  1352.70    158    50.6   70
  43 Greko 2015 ML 1600       :  1321.19    168    58.0   91
  44 Satana 2.4.19b           :  1286.60    136    46.0   38
  45 Virutor Chess 1.1.2      :  1272.98    171    59.6   96
  46 Suff 0.3a                :  1272.05    208    46.4   75
  47 Marquis 1.6              :  1170.32    146    55.8   71
  48 Junior 13.3 1600ELO      :  1170.01    163    40.5   50
  49 Szint_Daysi 1494         :  1161.38    168    35.1   52
  50 Pierre 1.7               :  1133.02    152    58.2   82
  51 Phalanx XXV easy30       :  1022.22    142    49.3   65
  52 Xadreco 5.7              :   881.30    142    34.2   44
  53 Cassandre 0.26           :   877.23    108    29.2   15
  54 Giuchess 1.0             :   780.88    137    27.0   27
  55 Fimbulwinter 5.05        :   729.15    142    19.4   24
  56 Delfi 1000               :   679.67    144    15.3   16

White advantage = 24.62
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 20.11 %
CDrill is around 2000 aprox. as you said.
Good info, thanks.

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Re: laskos

Post by pedrox » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:52 pm

Hi Ferdinand,

Could you play a few games against DanaSah with limit of strength?

I think you already have danaz04.zip (https://sites.google.com/site/danasah/s ... -danasah-z)

You should configure the danasah.txt file and put:

elo 2000
elo_type human

The engine should play as 2000 FIDE Elo points.

I used as reference the (Elo Aktiv + 70) as Elo FIDE.
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... -Elo-Liste

Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1932 = 2002 ELO FIDE.

This is the opinion that fans have to play against these machines of the years 80-90.

I'm not sure of the result.
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Re: laskos

Post by Ferdy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:06 pm

pedrox wrote:Hi Ferdinand,

Could you play a few games against DanaSah with limit of strength?

I think you already have danaz04.zip (https://sites.google.com/site/danasah/s ... -danasah-z)

You should configure the danasah.txt file and put:

elo 2000
elo_type human

The engine should play as 2000 FIDE Elo points.

I used as reference the (Elo Aktiv + 70) as Elo FIDE. This is the opinion that fans have to play against these machines of the years 80-90.
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... -Elo-Liste

I'm not sure who will win.
I will try that, I re-read the posts we had when I was searching 1200 elo engines :).

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