Ode to Gandalf 6

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Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Swifty357 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:41 am

I registered the other day so I could respond to a post about LChess. Then I decided to start my own topic because I didnt want to hijack his topic. But I just wanted to see if anyone remembers Gandalf and Lokasoft Chess Partner Gui? Gandalf has one of the most human styles of any engine. Gandalf had a bunch of chess knowledge programmed in, a positional style yet also very aggressive, with a very selective search compared to its competitors . Also came with a huge opening book with over 2 million positions. Chesspartner Gui is great in my opinion. with pgn database functionality, a bunch of opening book making tools, fics/icc frontend, with a engine research tool for engine vs engine tourneys. Also works well with uci and wb engines. A bunch of analysis, playing, training options. Its the reason I havent updated my windows os, i would be gutted if Gandalf 6 stopped working. I have a link were a guy fed a bunch of engines moves from Fischer's 60 memorable games. Gandalf 6 won with 69 percent matching rate of Fischers moves.

https://chessengines.wordpress.com/2013 ... gandalf-6/


I also like Rebel(now ProDeo) and Smarthink which are both free of charge updates to the old commercial lokasoft programs. Pro Deo has so many cool options especially 1.85 and works great as a winboard engine in Chesspartner. Chess Tiger was awesome too. I also had Ktulu 8, i wished lokasoft still sold these programs because I put off getting Ktulu9 and now its out of print like all the old products. I think Chess Partner 6 with LCHess is the only product still being sold. Which is a shame because I would buy Ktulu 9 in a heartbeat. Anybody else like these engines.

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by mclane » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:21 am

Yes I do remember Gandalf by steen suurballe and Dan wolf.
When I remember it right steen appeared at the championship in Munich, was it 1993 ?! with Gandalf and when I remember it right kicked fritz out of competition.

Steen looked like James Bond on the tournament when he told us:
"my name is suurballe, steen suurballe. "

Also later gandalf was always good for a surprising win in the top field, e.g. I remember when I operated chess tiger at the paderborn tournament, tiger was very short winning the tournament , when Gandalf killed tiger in a king attack.

http://www.thorstenczub.de/Paderborn.html

Gandalf knew about king attacks statically in the evaluation function.
The knowledge was so good that it could open a closed position when no search could see the attack, but Gandalf saw it and openend the position and the attack came through.

A pity the development did not continue.
I do hope that steen and Dan are ok and have a nice life.
I liked them.
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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Dann Corbit » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:26 am

I have all of those engines.
You have to like an engine with a Lord of the Rings reference in the name.
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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Swifty357 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:08 am

What a cool story Thorsten Czub. Thanks for sharing that history.

And I agree Dann Corbit the LOTR name is great. Some of the logos for Arena for Gandalf are awesome in my opinion. I dont know who made them but they did a good job. I have the update that allows personality editor to change Gandalfs values to make different playing styles, but I have always been to afraid to go changing those things for fear I couldnt get it back to default if I messed up something. I dont know a lot about how engines work, just been a fan/user of chess engines since Chessmaster 5000.

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Norbert Raimund Leisner » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:32 am

look here: http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... e_gui_list (section Lokasoft)

Ktulu 9 is out of stock - version from May 2009:
it runs neither with Windows 7 SP1 win32 nor x64 - just after a double mouse-click on the Ktulu.exe-file the application is immediately closed!
(with my former OS Windows XP SP3-32 bit I had no problems to execute it correctly)

I have it tried out with Arena-ChessGUI-WinBoard Interface
http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... pport_list

chess logos ~ you will find the collection here:
http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... logos_list

Lokasoft current chess software http://shop.lokasoft.nl/section.php/8/1

Best wishes,
Norbert

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Swifty357 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:10 am

thanks for the links Norbert. Well thats to bad that ktulu 9 needs older windows os.

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by carldaman » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:15 am

Ktulu 9 actually runs fine on Win 7 64-bit here.
Norbert Raimund Leisner wrote:look here: http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... e_gui_list (section Lokasoft)

Ktulu 9 is out of stock - version from May 2009:
it runs neither with Windows 7 SP1 win32 nor x64 - just after a double mouse-click on the Ktulu.exe-file the application is immediately closed!
(with my former OS Windows XP SP3-32 bit I had no problems to execute it correctly)

I have it tried out with Arena-ChessGUI-WinBoard Interface
http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... pport_list

chess logos ~ you will find the collection here:
http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... logos_list

Lokasoft current chess software http://shop.lokasoft.nl/section.php/8/1

Best wishes,
Norbert

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by supersharp77 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:01 am

Swifty357 wrote:I registered the other day so I could respond to a post about LChess. Then I decided to start my own topic because I didnt want to hijack his topic. But I just wanted to see if anyone remembers Gandalf and Lokasoft Chess Partner Gui? Gandalf has one of the most human styles of any engine. Gandalf had a bunch of chess knowledge programmed in, a positional style yet also very aggressive, with a very selective search compared to its competitors . Also came with a huge opening book with over 2 million positions. Chesspartner Gui is great in my opinion. with pgn database functionality, a bunch of opening book making tools, fics/icc frontend, with a engine research tool for engine vs engine tourneys. Also works well with uci and wb engines. A bunch of analysis, playing, training options. Its the reason I havent updated my windows os, i would be gutted if Gandalf 6 stopped working. I have a link were a guy fed a bunch of engines moves from Fischer's 60 memorable games. Gandalf 6 won with 69 percent matching rate of Fischers moves.I also like Rebel(now ProDeo) and Smarthink which are both free of charge updates to the old commercial lokasoft programs. https://chessengines.wordpress.com/2013 ... gandalf-6/
Hey Brandon.....I agree with your opinion 100% concerning Lokasoft and the Lchess engine.....I had been using Fritz gui for the most part because of all the Fritz engines (chessbase) Fritz 6 Fritz 5.32 Deep Fritz... Doctor etc and the Swiss tourneys and KO tourneys but some engines don't work 100% in that Gui.....I wonder why chessbase never added a "pure winboard" interface.....with Lokasoft gui it is so.....so easy to add winboard or Uci engines....engines that work so so or not at all in Fritz work GREAT in Lokasoft.....obscure engines work great in Lokasoft......Chessmaster (King 350 323....332..etc) seem to play stronger in Lokasoft......with the ERT you can play 3-4 tournaments all at once on different screens with no problems! You can save yourself quite a bit of time!! Only engine not working is Muriel (KDL chess v0.7) ...and Hiarcs WCSC 14 (which does not seem to work outside of the Hiarcs gui for some reason)......Ktulu 9 is still floating around on various places on the net......Gandalf 4.32 was one of the toughest engines to track down Smarthink 1.01 Moscow is not around anywhere so far..
..AR :) :wink:

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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by SzG » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:56 am

Norbert Raimund Leisner wrote: Ktulu 9 is out of stock - version from May 2009:
it runs neither with Windows 7 SP1 win32 nor x64 - just after a double mouse-click on the Ktulu.exe-file the application is immediately closed!
(with my former OS Windows XP SP3-32 bit I had no problems to execute it correctly)
I had no problems running it under 64-bit Vista. Maybe you have a copyprotection problem, you may have to reinstall it together with Chess Partner.
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Re: Ode to Gandalf 6

Post by Norbert Raimund Leisner » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:32 pm

After a complete new installation (MSI Installer) with serial number + my name the problem still remains with Ktulu 7-8-9, but older versions e.g. Ktulu 3.5 wb cause no problems - last working Ktulu edition for my OS is 5.2.

Other Lokasoft products like Chess Tiger 2007, Rebel 12 or SmarThink 1.20 show not such a strange behaviour.

Norbert

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