STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

[Ferdy]

Download:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sadte ... EAI_v1.rar

This includes tony.epd with revised format aside from sts1 to sts15, revised normal epd, and new formated epd suitable for the tool. There is also a bigger epd file combining sts1 to sts15 new format for testing with the tool.
Sample batch file is also attached.

[Norm Pollock]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

[Ferdy]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

[Evert]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

[Ferdy]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

[Vinvin]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...

[Ferdy]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...

Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?

[Evert]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...

Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?

Is the best move the same in both cases?
If not, it's impossible to get the best score in both. If the best move is the same in both test suites, then it's arguably worse because the engine may play that move for either reason and it doesn't tell you how it does on the theme for that particular test suite.

[Ferdy]

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...

Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?

Is the best move the same in both cases?
If not, it's impossible to get the best score in both. If the best move is the same in both test suites, then it's arguably worse because the engine may play that move for either reason and it doesn't tell you how it does on the theme for that particular test suite.

The bestmove is the same. The engine is good at undermining and it so happened that is also good at advancing the a/b/c pawns. What's wrong with that? There are engines like that. The bm is c4.

[Ferdy]

During conversion I have encountered couple of epd issues. Here they are.
[1]
STS1, missing comma after Rg3=7

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1n6/4bk1r/1p2rp2/pP2pN1p/K1P1N2P/8/P5R1/3R4 w - - bm c5; id "Undermine.003"; c0 "c5=10, Rd3=7, Rdd2=7, Rg3=7Rd5=9";

I re-checked this epd and found out that it has space but no comma like the following.

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1n6/4bk1r/1p2rp2/pP2pN1p/K1P1N2P/8/P5R1/3R4 w - - bm c5; id "Undermine.003"; c0 "c5=10, Rd3=7, Rdd2=7, Rg3=7 Rd5=9";