STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Wed May 20, 2015 11:31 am

Download:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sadte ... EAI_v1.rar

This includes tony.epd with revised format aside from sts1 to sts15, revised normal epd, and new formated epd suitable for the tool. There is also a bigger epd file combining sts1 to sts15 new format for testing with the tool.
Sample batch file is also attached.

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Norm Pollock » Wed May 20, 2015 12:36 pm

I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Wed May 20, 2015 12:47 pm

Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Evert » Wed May 20, 2015 2:52 pm

Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Wed May 20, 2015 3:03 pm

Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?
I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Vinvin » Wed May 20, 2015 3:38 pm

Ferdy wrote:
Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?
I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.
Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Wed May 20, 2015 3:47 pm

Vinvin wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?
I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.
Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...
Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Evert » Wed May 20, 2015 4:00 pm

Ferdy wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?
I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.
Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...
Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?
Is the best move the same in both cases?
If not, it's impossible to get the best score in both. If the best move is the same in both test suites, then it's arguably worse because the engine may play that move for either reason and it doesn't tell you how it does on the theme for that particular test suite.

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Wed May 20, 2015 4:16 pm

Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Evert wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Norm Pollock wrote:I noticed that there are 3 duplicate epd's

1q2r1k1/1b2bpp1/p2ppn1p/2p5/P3PP1B/2PB1RP1/2P1Q2P/2KR4 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 605 1405;
Right, one is from a/b/c pawn advancement, and the other is undermine, but have different move scoring. Could be dual purpose.

1r1r1bk1/1bq2p1p/pn2p1p1/2p1P3/5P2/P1NBB3/1P3QPP/R2R2K1 b - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 208 804;

r1r3k1/pb3p1p/1pqBp1p1/4P3/3b4/2P2P2/PR1N2PP/2RQ3K w - - c0 2; c1 line(s): 277 873;
Surely that makes the position useless then, because improving the score for one benchmark will decrease it for the other...?
I don't see why it is useless. If you are good in pawn advancement theme you will get the bm, and if you are good in undermining theme too you will also get the bm.
Because if you make an engine who play the very best moves in all positions, it won't get the maximum of points in all test, that's crazy ...
Pos 1 = 10, pos 2 = 10,
total points = 20, max points = 20, why it will not get max points?
Is the best move the same in both cases?
If not, it's impossible to get the best score in both. If the best move is the same in both test suites, then it's arguably worse because the engine may play that move for either reason and it doesn't tell you how it does on the theme for that particular test suite.
The bestmove is the same. The engine is good at undermining and it so happened that is also good at advancing the a/b/c pawns. What's wrong with that? There are engines like that. The bm is c4.

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Re: STS 1-15 epd and analysis tool

Post by Ferdy » Thu May 21, 2015 1:51 am

Ferdy wrote: During conversion I have encountered couple of epd issues. Here they are.
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STS1, missing comma after Rg3=7

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1n6/4bk1r/1p2rp2/pP2pN1p/K1P1N2P/8/P5R1/3R4 w - - bm c5; id "Undermine.003"; c0 "c5=10, Rd3=7, Rdd2=7, Rg3=7Rd5=9";
I re-checked this epd and found out that it has space but no comma like the following.

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1n6/4bk1r/1p2rp2/pP2pN1p/K1P1N2P/8/P5R1/3R4 w - - bm c5; id "Undermine.003"; c0 "c5=10, Rd3=7, Rdd2=7, Rg3=7 Rd5=9";

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