USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

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USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by zullil » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:35 pm

How well would something like this work for storing the Syzygy WDL files?

https://www.visiontek.com/solid-state-d ... etail.html

Other suggestions welcome. I'm looking for a Linux-friendly, external USB 3 option, preferably bus-powered. Thanks.

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by jpqy » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:46 pm

If these read & write speeds are real..well then you have a good one.

Just compare them with real benches..search in youtube!

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by yanquis1972 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:51 pm

thanks for sharing this link louis, havent heard of these. may pick one up myself & swap the wdl for a game or two when not chessing :D

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by Zenmastur » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:39 am

zullil wrote:How well would something like this work for storing the Syzygy WDL files?

https://www.visiontek.com/solid-state-d ... etail.html

Other suggestions welcome. I'm looking for a Linux-friendly, external USB 3 option, preferably bus-powered. Thanks.
This has the same performance with a lower price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

It's also available in sizes of 60GB and 240GB.

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by jpqy » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:14 am

Check on youtube..for sure not so good this Mushkin Enhanced Ventura Ultra 120GB!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIGDkpQwYpc

You need to check real life benches!

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by yurikvelo » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:47 pm

These are sequential read/write speed.

For Syzygy it's meaningfull. Latency (access time), I/O per second only matters.
Compare to ATA interface (DMA), USB is CPU-intensive protocol, so expect more nps dropdown.

Compare random vs sequential dropdown for Intel AHCI SATA vs USB 3.0 interfaces:

Intel RST SATA AHCI Drivers
Samsung 840 SSD 250GB
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Sequential Read : 514.179 MB/s
Sequential Write : 260.255 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 24.252 MB/s [ 5921.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 45.642 MB/s [ 11143.1 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 254.315 MB/s [ 62088.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 179.794 MB/s [ 43895.1 IOPS]

Seagate USB 3.0 HDD
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Sequential Read : 61.168 MB/s
Sequential Write : 55.296 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.362 MB/s [ 88.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.953 MB/s [ 232.6 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 0.439 MB/s [ 107.1 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.970 MB/s [ 236.9 IOPS]


do not compare absolute numbers (HDD's are different), but dropdown factor and IOPS.
For USB 3.0 random read speed (important for Syzygy probing) is 140x times slower than sequential read.
For SATA/AHCI it is only 2x slower.

IOPS are dramatically different: SATA is 580x times faster by IOPS

Another example SDCZ80-016G-X46 SanDisk USB 3.0 stick
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random speed is 13x slower than sequential

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by yanquis1972 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:55 am

i am not pretending to know of what i speak, but note that louis's link is to a product that markets itself as an external SSD, not a flash drive.

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by zullil » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:42 pm

yanquis1972 wrote:i am not pretending to know of what i speak, but note that louis's link is to a product that markets itself as an external SSD, not a flash drive.
Yes, this is not a USB 3 flash drive. Wondering now about the effectiveness of the device for tablebase access.

Specs:

Controller: LSI SandForce 2281 Series with 7% Over Provisioning
Capacity: 120GB (128GB total flash memory with 8GB dedicated to real-time redundancy and error correction)*
Performance: up to 445MB/s read, up to 440MB/s write
Random 4K Performance: up to 39,000 IOPS
Interface Type: USB 3.0 (backward compatible to USB 2.0)
Dimensions: 3.66" x 0.94" x 0.47"
Weight: 2 ounces
Compatibility: Windows XP and higher / Mac OS X 10.4 and higher/Linux**
Warranty: 2 year

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Re: USB 3 Storage for Syzygy WDL files

Post by yurikvelo » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:48 pm

VisionTek mSATA mini USB 3.0 Bus-Powered SSD Enclosure
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Benchmark Results: CrystalDiskMark showed that the Kingston 120GB SATA III 6.0Gb/s mSATA drive was getting sequential read and write speeds of 250 and 160 MB/s, which isn’t bad at all. When Joe reviewed this model mSATA SSD on a motherboard with an mSATA slot on it he was getting around 270MB/s read and 160MB/s write, so our numbers are just slightly lower than that. We expected somewhat lower performance due to the fact there is increased latency from the controller that coverts the mSATA drive over to USB 3.0.

Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/visiontek-m ... FXsJ0rh.99


Results for product marketed SSD pretty much the same, as for SanDisk dongle.
I believe this is USB protocol design, not particular product issue.

Verbatim USB 3.0 External SSD 32 GB
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blue - random read, red - random write

http://www.macworld.com/article/2039427 ... ally-.html

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