TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Ivanhoe

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Martin Thoresen
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TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Ivanhoe

Post by Martin Thoresen » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:58 pm

TCEC MATCH 6

http://www.tcec-chess.org/live.php

STARTS THURSDAY NOVEMBER 11th

For chat please visit http://chessbomb.com/
NB: Don't pay too much attention to their built-in computer analysis
since it's running multi pv which slows it down considerably.



Participants:
Rybka 4 64-bit 6CPU
Ivanhoe B50tA 64-bit 6CPU


Misc:
CPU: Intel Core i7 980x @ 4303 MHz
MB: Asus Rampage III Gene
RAM: 12 GB Corsair
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

Match length: 32 games
Openings: Randomly selected - each engine will play both black & white
of the same opening (so 16 different openings for the whole match)


Time Control:
120 Minutes for the first 40 moves - 60 minutes for the next 20 moves then
15 minutes for the rest + 30 seconds added per move from move 61


Graphical User Interface:
Type: ChessGUI
Resign: +/- 5.50 eval for 3 moves in a row (both engines)
Draw: An eval of +0.05/-0.05 for 4 moves in a row (both engines - only possible after passing move 40)
If there is a pawn advance, or a capture by any kind, this draw counter will reset
Ponder: Off
Hash: 4096 MB per engine
Nalimov tablebases: 3-4-5 men
Nalimov cache: 256 MB
Robbo Totalbases: 3-4-5-Z men
Robbo Triplebases: 2-3-4-5-Z men (The new bases, all loaded in RAM)

For a more detailed info on the rules and hardware, see the Info page


Info:
The brand new Ivanhoe B50tA takes on Rybka 4, the current TCEC Match Champion.
Can this newcomer bring Rybka down from the throne?

For news and updates check the News page regularly.

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Iva

Post by Martin Thoresen » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:02 pm

The match has started!

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Iva

Post by Martin Thoresen » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:34 pm

Game of the Month for November has been added to the TCEC site, annotated by FM Dennis Monokroussos.

http://www.tcec-chess.org/gotm.php

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Iva

Post by Albert Silver » Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:18 pm

Martin Thoresen wrote:The match has started!
Looks like Rybka is certain to beat Ivanhoe now with a 3-game lead.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - LTC match -> Rybka vs Iva - Game comme

Post by beram » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:59 pm

Rybka again as in earlier LTC match against Houdini, as for me, proves to be the better program under this (very) LTC circumstances.
I watched a lot of games and have made a report with short comments on the games till sofar (1-28) Rybka now leads with 15,5 -12,5 with 4 games left.

Martin Thoresens TCEC6 match; (very)long TC on superfast PC (Fritzmark = 39)
the programs regularly reaches depths of 20 -25 ply
40 moves in 120 min; 20 moves in 60 min; 15 min for the rest +30 sec per move
Ivanhoe B50tA 64-bit 6CPU (Iv) Rybka 4 64-bit 6CPU (R4)

kind regards, bram

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Gm	Programs	Opening	Result	Report
1	Iv - DR4	E03 Catalan	draw	Iv wins a pawn on c5 at move 12, but R4 - after exchanging queens - equalizes easily with the bishoppair
2	DR4 -Iv	E03 Catalan	draw	R4 as in game 1 wins a pawn on c5 at move 12. Iv didn't equalize fully, white holding a plus. After an intrigating middlegame, Iv escapes into an drawn ending with two bishops and 4 pawns against Ry with Rook an Bishop with 3 pawns
3	Iv - DR4	C89 Spanish Marshall attack	draw	easy draw
4	DR4 -Iv	C89 Spanish Marshall attack	draw	easy draw
5	Iv - DR4	D34 Tarrasch Defence	0-1	very nice win for R4 with black in an opening which favors white. White couldn't get a grip or win the weak black c6-pawn while R4 managed to gradually set up a kingside attack by opening up the h-file and taking profit of the long open diagonal.
6	DR4 -Iv	D34 Tarrasch Defence	draw	R4 couldn't create a real advantage with a free d-pawn vs doubled black c-pawns, whereafter Iv excanges queens and draws easily in double rook ending
7	Iv - DR4	E58 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein	draw	R4 holds the draw with excellent defense in a R + reversed color B pawn ending
8	DR4 -Iv	E58 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein	draw	Iv holds the draw after an active opening, with sound knight pair vs white bishops
9	Iv - DR4	B01 Scandinavian 	draw	nothing special
10	DR4 -Iv	B01 Scandinavian 	draw	nothing special
11	Iv - DR4	C79 Spanish Archangelsk 	1-0	interesting sacrifice by R4 on f2 right out in the opening. Although Iv consolidates solidly and conversed his material plus into a win
12	DR4 -Iv	C79 Spanish Archangelsk 	1-0	another approach by Iv but not necessarily better. R4 manageed to get a firm positional hold. With two center pawns on e4 and f4 vs two black pawns on d6 and c6, blacks pieces are restrained in action and R4 slowly but gradually converted this into a winning rook ending
13	Iv - DR4	A87 Dutch defence Leningrad	1-0	nice positional win by Iv who converted his positional gain, from the opening into the middlegame, fully controlling the board and counting Ry out in the endgame
14	DR4 -Iv	A87 Dutch defence Leningrad	draw	R4 gave a pawn for active position and chances against the black king, who landed on the strange h6 square. Although R4 gained a real plus, Iv defended creatively and this active counterplay delivered him the draw
15	Iv - DR4	C54 Giuoco Piano Italian 	draw	original Nh5 manoevre from R4 out of the opening with black, followed by the exchange of the white coloured bishop on d5. This took out the poison of the white position. What remained was an almost equally game which R4 holded with true inhumanly accurate play
16	DR4 -Iv	C54 Giuoco Piano Italian 	1-0	R4 with white in same position really convincingly outplayed black. R4 while holding control of the centre R4 combined the threat over the open b-file (with his rooks) with knight and queen pressure on the black kingside. Finally Iv gave the h6 pawn after which his position collapsed
17	Iv - DR4	B12 Caro Kann advance var.	1-0	R4 exchanged his rook for a pawn and a strong black bishop on the long diagonal. The only drawback was that he still was behind in material and the position could slowly be build up by Iv forcing further exchanges and pressing R4 to play his pawns foward on the black squares. So it became a technically win.
18	DR4 -Iv	B12 Caro Kann advance var.	draw	R4 gained nothing after the opening, while having a better chance for an advantage on move 13, if he had played Nxf5 gaining the bishoppair. After 20 moves an equal position was left
19	Iv - DR4	D48 Semi Slav Meraner var.	draw	very tactically piece exchange in early middlegame resulted in a clean draw position with Q + B wih reversed colours
20	DR4 -Iv	D48 Semi Slav Meraner var.	1-0	Very difficult game for me as a human (1984 ELO) to explain. It looked as if R4 had nothing special but it managed to force black into a cramped semi-active position where his pieces looked active while in reality they where restrained. With both three pieces Q,R B the white bishop could force things resulting in winning a pawn.
21	Iv - DR4	A28 English four knights	draw	Iv had a small plus but R4 didn''t get into real trouble, The ending 2R vs Q and both 3 pawns went into a plain tablebase draw
22	DR4 -Iv	A28 English four knights	draw	Iv again playes the position very well with strong active knights against the bishop pair of R4. Forcing a draw in 29 moves 
23	Iv - DR4	E10 Blumenfeld gambit	draw	this game deserved a better outcome for white than the draw he gained. Although you can easily criticize his awkward move 10 Ra3, Iv played an interesting game gaining almost decisive advantage. Sacrificing the rook for a strong bishop and double pawn advance on the a and b-file it looked just a matter of time , but R4 defended well, benifiting from his bishop pair.
24	DR4 -Iv	E10 Blumenfeld gambit	1-0	R4 had lesser trouble by proving this gambit unsound. Especially I liked the manoevre Kf1, h4 Rh3 Rg3 controlling the position while holding his pawn
25	Iv - DR4	A05 Birds opening	draw	nothing special happened although R4 manoevred into a slight plus in late middle game
26	DR4 -Iv	A05 Birds opening	draw	solidly and actively played draw by Iv with black. R4 didn't get anything out the opening
27	Iv - DR4	A03 Reti opening	0-1	very nice win by R4 after a Reti with a closed Sicilian like position after the opening. In the crucial position at move 36 with only one pawn exchanged of the board, Iv at depth 25(!) evals with 0.00 while R4 already gives a +0,32 after his smashing knight sacrifice 37. ..Nf4! The sacrifice splintered whites position and R4 gained to many pawns for the knight sacrifice and won nicely
28	DR4 -Iv	A03 Reti opening	draw	with reversed colors Iv didn't gain anything, R4 solidly playes to a draw

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - LTC match -> Rybka vs Iva - Game comme

Post by ernest » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:10 am

Thanks for the report, Bram!...

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Long TC live broadcast -> Rybka vs Iva

Post by Martin Thoresen » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:06 pm

And so the match ends!

After looking like Ivanhoe was going to give Rybka a very hard time, the latter prevailed and thus won with 17.5 to 14.5 (+ 6 = 23 - 3).
Keep an eye on the official site for info about the next event.

http://www.tcec-chess.org/index.php

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Rybka4 vs IvB50tA - GAME REPORT

Post by beram » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:01 pm

Final Report on Martin Thoresens TCEC6 match; (very)long TC on superfast PC (Fritzmark = 39; Rybkabench = 1013)
the programs regularly reaches depths of 20 -25 ply
40 moves in 120 min; 20 moves in 60 min; 15 min for the rest +30 sec per move
Ivanhoe B50tA 64-bit 6CPU (Iv) Rybka 4 64-bit 6CPU (R4)

Final Result: R4 17,5 - Iv 14,5 with 6 wins against 3 losses and 23 draws. My overall impression on this match is that R4 is the better program. R4 evaluates slightly more dynamically (to the point) and in most of the drawn games R4 didn't get into real trouble. Iv had slightly more problems in the drawn games e.g. game 2 and 14. And beside that, the only black wins where for R4; with the Tarrasch and Reti opening. These wins where really impressive. Although the overall play of the programs - under this LTC on this very fast hardware - was outstanding, there still where moves to be criticized. E.g. in the Caro Kann for R4 (13. better Nxf5 ) and in the Benko for Iv (17. better Ra2)

Kind regards, Bram

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Gm	Programs	Opening	Result	Report
1	Iv - DR4	E03 Catalan	draw	Iv wins a pawn on c5 at move 12, but R4 - after exchanging queens - equalizes easily with the bishoppair
2	DR4 -Iv	E03 Catalan	draw	R4 as in game 1 wins a pawn on c5 at move 12. Iv didn't equalize fully, white holding a plus. After an intrigating middlegame, Iv escapes into an drawn ending with two bishops and 4 pawns against Ry with Rook an Bishop with 3 pawns
3	Iv - DR4	C89 Spanish Marshall attack	draw	easy draw
4	DR4 -Iv	C89 Spanish Marshall attack	draw	easy draw
5	Iv - DR4	D34 Tarrasch Defence	0-1	very nice win for R4 with black in an opening which favors white. White couldn't get a grip or win the weak black c6-pawn while R4 managed to gradually set up a kingside attack by opening up the h-file and taking profit of the long open diagonal.
6	DR4 -Iv	D34 Tarrasch Defence	draw	R4 couldn't create a real advantage with a free d-pawn vs doubled black c-pawns, whereafter Iv excanges queens and draws easily in double rook ending
7	Iv - DR4	E58 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein	draw	R4 holds the draw with excellent defense in a R + reversed color B pawn ending
8	DR4 -Iv	E58 Nimzo Indian Rubinstein	draw	Iv holds the draw after an active opening, with sound knight pair vs white bishops
9	Iv - DR4	B01 Scandinavian 	draw	nothing special
10	DR4 -Iv	B01 Scandinavian 	draw	nothing special
11	Iv - DR4	C79 Spanish Archangelsk 	1-0	interesting sacrifice by R4 on f2 right out in the opening. Although Iv consolidates solidly and conversed his material plus into a win
12	DR4 -Iv	C79 Spanish Archangelsk 	1-0	another approach by Iv but not necessarily better. R4 manageed to get a firm positional hold. With two center pawns on e4 and f4 vs two black pawns on d6 and c6, blacks pieces are restrained in action and R4 slowly but gradually converted this into a winning rook ending
13	Iv - DR4	A87 Dutch defence Leningrad	1-0	nice positional win by Iv who converted his positional gain, from the opening into the middlegame, fully controlling the board and counting Ry out in the endgame
14	DR4 -Iv	A87 Dutch defence Leningrad	draw	R4 gave a pawn for active position and chances against the black king, who landed on the strange h6 square. Although R4 gained a real plus, Iv defended creatively and this active counterplay delivered him the draw
15	Iv - DR4	C54 Giuoco Piano Italian 	draw	original Nh5 manoevre from R4 out of the opening with black, followed by the exchange of the white coloured bishop on d5. This took out the poison of the white position. What remained was an almost equally game which R4 holded with true inhumanly accurate play
16	DR4 -Iv	C54 Giuoco Piano Italian 	1-0	R4 with white in same position really convincingly outplayed black. While holding control of the centre R4 combined the threat over the open b-file (with his rooks) with knight and queen pressure on the black kingside. Finally Iv gave the h6 pawn after which his position collapsed rapidly.
17	Iv - DR4	B12 Caro Kann advance var.	1-0	R4 exchanged his rook for a pawn and a strong black bishop on the long diagonal. The only drawback was that he still was behind in material and the position could slowly be build up by Iv, forcing further exchanges and pressing R4 to play his pawns foward on the black squares. So it became a nice technically endgame win for the latter.
18	DR4 -Iv	B12 Caro Kann advance var.	draw	R4 gained nothing after the opening, while having a better chance for an advantage on move 13, if he had played Nxf5 gaining the bishoppair. After 20 moves an equal position was left
19	Iv - DR4	D48 Semi Slav Meraner var.	draw	very tactically piece exchange in early middlegame resulted in a clean draw position with Q + B wih reversed colours
20	DR4 -Iv	D48 Semi Slav Meraner var.	1-0	Very difficult game for me as a human (1984 ELO) to explain. It looked as if R4 had nothing special but it managed to force black into a cramped semi-active position where his pieces looked active while in reality they where restrained. With both three pieces Q,R B the white bishop could force things resulting in winning a pawn.
21	Iv - DR4	A28 English four knights	draw	Iv had a small plus but R4 didn''t get into real trouble, The ending 2R vs Q and both 3 pawns went into a plain tablebase draw
22	DR4 -Iv	A28 English four knights	draw	Iv again playes the position very well with strong active knights against the bishop pair of R4. Forcing a draw in 29 moves 
23	Iv - DR4	E10 Blumenfeld gambit	draw	this game deserved a better outcome for white than the draw he gained. Although you can easily criticize his awkward move 10 Ra3, Iv played an interesting game gaining almost decisive advantage. Sacrificing the rook for a strong bishop and double pawn advance on the a and b-file it looked just a matter of time , but R4 defended well, benifiting from his bishop pair.
24	DR4 -Iv	E10 Blumenfeld gambit	1-0	R4 had lesser trouble by proving this gambit unsound. Especially I liked the manoevre Kf1, h4 Rh3 Rg3 controlling the position while holding his pawn
25	Iv - DR4	A05 Birds opening	draw	nothing special happened although R4 manoevred into a slight plus in late middle game
26	DR4 -Iv	A05 Birds opening	draw	solidly and actively played draw by Iv with black. R4 didn't get anything out the opening
27	Iv - DR4	A03 Reti opening	0-1	very nice win by R4 after a Reti with a closed Sicilian like position after the opening. In the crucial position at move 36 with only one pawn exchanged of the board, Iv at depth 25(!) evals with 0.00 while R4 already gives a +0,32 after his smashing knight sacrifice 37. ..Nf4! The sacrifice splintered whites position and R4 gained to many pawns for the knight sacrifice and won nicely
28	DR4 -Iv	A03 Reti opening	draw	with reversed colors Iv didn't gain anything, R4 solidly playes to a draw
29	Iv - DR4	A30 symmetrical English	draw	R4 plays a hedgehog after his 12 ..h6 ! Novelty, Iv exchanges black bishop and on move 14 wins temporarily a pawn at d6 but R4 wins back the c4 pawn two moves later. A draw position results
30	DR4 -Iv	A30 symmetrical English	draw	A very interesting draw. R4 slowly builded up a nice position with two connected passes pawns on a6 and b5. He than sacrificed the queen for a Rook and Bishop, after which the position is especially critical for Iv with black. But Iv managed to maintain the balance after reducing the amount of white pawns to just one
31	Iv - DR4	A25 Benko gambit main line	draw	Iv with white playes straightforward with a quick king march to g2 and gains an advantage of nearly one pawn. The critical position is reached at move 16. R4 expected 17 Ra2 but Iv choosed 17 Bc3.  A tactical exchange followed where R4 gave his Queen for a Rook and strong Bishop a little later R4 forces Iv into a Q vs double rook ending with an extra pawn for White. R4 his rooks are able to compensate for the pawn so a draw resulted
32	DR4 -Iv	A25 Benko gambit main line	draw	R4 gained a plus of about half a pawn out of the opening. Iv exchanges queens and further on a bishop on c3 whereafter white is left worthless loose a-pawn up. A draw result is logical, but not for R4 wo tries hard to win a bishop vs knight ending, buth Iv''s knight stood straight after 100 moves a really drawn position
				Final Result: R4 17,5 - Iv 14,5 with 6 wins against 3 losses and 23 draws. My overall impression on this match is that R4 is the better program.  R4 evaluates slightly more dynamically (to the point) and in most of the drawn games R4 didn't get into real trouble. Iv had slightly more problems in the drawn games e.g. game 2 and 14. And beside that, the only black wins where for R4; with the Tarrasch and Reti opening. These wins where really impressive. Although the overall play of the programs - under this LTC on this very fast hardware - was outstanding, there still where moves to be criticized. E.g. in the Caro Kann for R4 (13. better Nxf5 ) and in the Benko for Iv (17. better Ra2)

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Re: TCEC Match 6 - Rybka4 vs IvB50tA - GAME REPORT

Post by M ANSARI » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:08 pm

I think the black game by R4 in match 14 was the highlight of the match. At one point R4 as black played 36. ...Nf4 !!! a totally unexpected yet devastating knight sac that had serious compensation that was hard to see. Some pretty interesting games in the match overall.

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