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New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Jouni » Sun May 17, 2009 5:22 pm

I haven't seen it here yet:

http://www.onnochess.com/

Onno requires about 1 MB on the hard disk - no Chessbase 500 MB
installation :)

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Kirk » Sun May 17, 2009 5:30 pm

Jouni wrote:I haven't seen it here yet:

http://www.onnochess.com/

Onno requires about 1 MB on the hard disk - no Chessbase 500 MB
installation :)

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Peter Skinner » Sun May 17, 2009 8:52 pm

Jouni wrote:I haven't seen it here yet:

http://www.onnochess.com/

Onno requires about 1 MB on the hard disk - no Chessbase 500 MB
installation :)

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Oddly, so does Fruit :)

I love it when people come out of the blue with a 2900 elo program, and are selling it to boot :p
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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by AdminX » Sun May 17, 2009 8:59 pm

Peter Skinner wrote:
Jouni wrote:I haven't seen it here yet:

http://www.onnochess.com/

Onno requires about 1 MB on the hard disk - no Chessbase 500 MB
installation :)

Jouni
Oddly, so does Fruit :)

I love it when people come out of the blue with a 2900 elo program, and are selling it to boot :p
In the about section of the Onno website it states:

When did Onno start?

Onno started as a spare time project in the summer of 2006. The first public release, version 1.0, was released in May 2009.

I would not call that (2006) "Out of the blue" Peter. Or are you implying something else? Here we go again ... :wink: Fire on Board!
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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Matthias Gemuh » Sun May 17, 2009 9:01 pm

Peter Skinner wrote:
Jouni wrote:I haven't seen it here yet:

http://www.onnochess.com/

Onno requires about 1 MB on the hard disk - no Chessbase 500 MB
installation :)

Jouni
Oddly, so does Fruit :)

I love it when people come out of the blue with a 2900 elo program, and are selling it to boot :p
It is the buyers of such that I consider weird.

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Edmund » Sun May 17, 2009 9:39 pm

Onno Garms is posting regularly on Winboard Forum:
http://www.open-aurec.com/wbforum/membe ... ile&u=1210

It is not as you put it: a profile with no history

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by PauloSoare » Sun May 17, 2009 10:11 pm

The problem: it is an engine for a single processor.

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Onno Garms » Sun May 17, 2009 10:58 pm

PauloSoare wrote:The problem: it is an engine for a single processor.
I am fully aware that that is a problem and I am working on changing that.

Setting up the website, making a faster 32-bit-version then by just changing the compiler switches, evaluating the Intel compiler (without success, btw., Microsoft performs slightly better even on Intel CPU), making an icon, etc. took a little more time then expected, so there was little improvement of play since January, but that will change soon.

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by Onno Garms » Sun May 17, 2009 11:39 pm

Matthias Gemuh wrote: I love it when people come out of the blue with a 2900 elo program, and are selling it to boot :p
It is the buyers of such that I consider weird.[/quote]

I believe that my engine has potential. The reason to start selling now (even if there will possibly not yet many buyers) is not to come out of the blue with a 3000+ engine but to start getting known earlier.

Moreover my engine outperforms some commercial engines (on single CPU). As a freeware engine it would be among the very top freeware engines and thus contribute to the recent increase of freeware engine's level, which is a threshold at the entry level for commercial engines. I believe that this increase is harmful, because it reduces the motivation for quite a few people who have promissing engines to improve it further. So after all it reduces the chances that an engine will catch up with Rybka.

Opensource engines, namely the Fruit branches, will never catch up with Rybka IMHO because they share all their secrets but Rybka doesn't.

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Re: New commercial engine soon: Onno

Post by WinPooh » Mon May 18, 2009 9:01 am

The "size" of the seed has absolutely no meaning. Onno plays the same style with a seed of 0 and a seed of 10000. It is not possible to turn randomness off.
For me, this is the most interesting detail in technical info.
When search is randomized and un-reproducible, it is impossible to prove is the program a clone or not, based on its moves.
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