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ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by CThinker » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:25 pm

ThinkerTalk is not exactly the best conversationalist, but it manages to surprise a few folks.

Somehow, this guy at ICC didn't realize that he was talking to a machine (logged this morning)...

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I> Matemastr(C) tells you: are you 1 of those !computer?
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; would you think differently if i am 1 of those !computer??
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
I> Matemastr&#40;C&#41; tells you&#58; yes
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; you seem quite positive.
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
I> Matemastr&#40;C&#41; tells you&#58; if you are 1 of those !computer   cn u tell me why  if u dont mind
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; does it please you to believe i am 1 of those !computer   cn u tell you why  if u dont mind?
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
I> Matemastr&#40;C&#41; tells you&#58; we all know that its very ez 2 beat humans...u seem 2 have good equipment
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; should i just agree with you?
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
I> Matemastr&#40;C&#41; tells you&#58; reminds up of the bully in school   only bests up weaklings  no offense plz
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; are you sure?
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
I> Matemastr&#40;C&#41; tells you&#58; takecare
I< tell Matemastr &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; it seems like you are on to something
I> &#40;told Matemastr&#41;
This person at FICS clued in after a while, I guess (this is from an old log; months ago).

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I> &#123;Game 1 &#40;Spuggy vs. LancePerkins&#41; Spuggy resigns&#125; 0-1
I> Standard rating adjustment&#58; 2431 --> 2446
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> You will now not play games in silence.
I> Your opponents are either not logged in or not available.
I> Your seek has been posted with index 63.
I> &#40;7 player&#40;s&#41; saw the seek.)
I> Your seek has been posted with index 82.
I> &#40;12 player&#40;s&#41; saw the seek.)
I> Your seek has been posted with index 118.
I> &#40;32 player&#40;s&#41; saw the seek.)
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; You're welcome1
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; does it please you to believe i am welcome1?
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Iam pleased for you if it pleases you
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; hmm, if it pleases i?
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; quite so1
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; i wonder if anything interesting will happen today
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Perkins Maybe in 2012?
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; why the uncertain tone?
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Because
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; just because ?
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Uh huh
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; any fun thing happening lately?
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Perkins Yes.I've descovered there is a new sun that has
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; can you elaborate on that?
I> \   already entered our solar system
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;
I> Spuggy tells you&#58; Not today!Goodnight.
I< tell Spuggy &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; i'm not sure i understand you fully.
I> &#40;told Spuggy&#41;

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:33 pm

Hi Lance,

please please please release a version of Thinker 5.1b that allows ponder to be turned off. :wink:

No pressure of course! :lol:

Regards, Graham.
gbanksnz at gmail.com

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by CThinker » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:49 pm

If you revisit the thinker download page now, you might find some 5.1c chocolates.

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:51 pm

CThinker wrote:If you revisit the thinker download page now, you might find some 5.1c chocolates.
Yummy. :)
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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by CThinker » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:53 pm

And some guy, just now, was trying to test it out after reading this post...

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I> claymore tells you&#58; Hi, I just read a post on talkchess about ThinkerTalk, is that a feature of this handle?
I< tell claymore &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; are we still on the subject of chess?
I> &#40;told claymore&#41;
I> claymore tells you&#58; ah &#58;)
I< tell claymore &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; i wonder if anything interesting will happen today
I> &#40;told claymore&#41;
I> claymore tells you&#58; if it didn't say &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; at the beginning of every tell i'm sure you would fool even more people, hehe
I< tell claymore &#91;ThinkerTalk&#93; do you enjoy being sure i would fool even more people, hehe?
I> &#40;told claymore&#41;

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by geots » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:45 am

CThinker wrote:If you revisit the thinker download page now, you might find some 5.1c chocolates.

Lance, i loaded Thinker 5.1c, which now can have ponder OFF- and now we can test it- presumably. The problem is 4.7a shows depth, kns it is thinking and thinking lines. However, 5.1c, during and after its thinking and move- never shows a depth of more than 1, and never at all shows any kns thinking and never shows any thinking lines. A bit strange when 4.7a shows all the above. It could turn into a problem to test considering the above. I certainly wish it could be fixed.

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Ómar

Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by Ómar » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:24 am

George,

I can add to that, that the newest version (5.1c) does some kind of pondering. You can see that by turning on the "arrow" option in Arena, there is still some strange pondering going on.
I hope that Lance find it in his heart to look in these matters because I find this engine very interesting. It´s very strong and the exe is surprisingly small :shock:

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by CThinker » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:08 am

Thinker outputs all that info. I can see them both in ThinkerBoard and in ChessMaster.

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C&#58;\Usr>"&#40;Active&#41; Thinker 64-bit.exe"
Thinker&#58; 5.1C &#40;NA 041, 5dc, for 64-bit architecture&#41; Copyright &#40;c&#41; Lance Perkins
Thinker&#58; aet une ueh
Thinker&#58; Freeware. No warranties whatsoever.
post
level 0 40 10
time 60000
otim 60000
go
move g1f3
16 28 1412 17186558 g1f3  b8c6  b1c3
That's depth 16, score of 28, 14.12 seconds, and 17.18M nodes

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by geots » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:12 am

CThinker wrote:Thinker outputs all that info. I can see them both in ThinkerBoard and in ChessMaster.

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C&#58;\Usr>"&#40;Active&#41; Thinker 64-bit.exe"
Thinker&#58; 5.1C &#40;NA 041, 5dc, for 64-bit architecture&#41; Copyright &#40;c&#41; Lance Perkins
Thinker&#58; aet une ueh
Thinker&#58; Freeware. No warranties whatsoever.
post
level 0 40 10
time 60000
otim 60000
go
move g1f3
16 28 1412 17186558 g1f3  b8c6  b1c3
That's depth 16, score of 28, 14.12 seconds, and 17.18M nodes


Lance, i dont know if the fact that you showed me 64 bit stats, and i am referring to 32 bit (Active) makes a diff. or not. All i can tell you is that the 32 bit version set to Active shows basically nothing, in chessbase during the game, nor in the game pgn. No depth- no kns- no lines. I dont use Arena, but in Chessbase as a UCI engine it shows you fixed the ponder problem. If you could just take care of these other issues.......

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Re: ThinkerTalk at ICC and FICS

Post by CThinker » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:22 am

Here's for the 32-bit one:

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C&#58;\Usr>"&#40;Passive&#41; Thinker 32-bit.exe"
Thinker&#58; 5.1C &#40;NA 041, 5dc&#41; Copyright &#40;c&#41; Lance Perkins
Thinker&#58; aet ueh
Thinker&#58; Freeware. No warranties whatsoever.
post
level 0 40 10
time 60000
otim 60000
go
move e2e4
17 63 2651 27832709 e2e4  b8c6  b1c3
quit
Depth 17, score of 63, 26.51 seconds, 27.83M nodes. ChessMaster and ThinkerBoard shows them.

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