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Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by bedouin » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:12 am

The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.

Q: What is your reaction to the letter from the creator of Rybka, who is challenging the winner of this match?

Shai Bushinsky: This open letter was distributed a day before we went to Elista. It is difficult to understand the timing and the content of the letter. Junior and Rybka participated in the World Championship in Turin, and the results are well known. I cannot recall a precedent from the history of chess, in which one top player gambled with another one in a winner-takes-all match. If there was a serious sponsor, then we could consider playing such match. However, no sponsor is mentioned in the letter. Also, the letter is addressed to Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who has many excellent qualities but has never written a chess engine, as far as I know. It is very strange that the letter is addressed to him.

A.K.: Rybka is not a reigning World Champion, and Junior is. There was a similar situation when Bobby Fischer considered himself a champion, but did not want to play in a qualification. Maybe Rybka is the strongest program in the world, however it has to win the championship to prove it.

Q: Do you consider Rybka being among, let’s say, top three or top five chess engines?

S.B., A.B.: Yes. Rybka shared the 2nd-3rd places in the World Championship in 2006.

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Uri Blass » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:31 am

bedouin wrote:The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.
No
I did not find a single place when they claimed that rybka is not the best.

Alexander Kure is also not the guy who programmed Fritz so that guy did not express an opinion there.

Uri

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:42 am

bedouin wrote:The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.
Let's put it this way. If they can't humble themselves to admit that Rybka is the strongest engine at present, they must be seriously deluded. They'd certainly get laughed out of here!

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Jeroen » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:46 am

As they only mention the WCCC as being the right tournament to evaluate the rankings in the chess computer world, the problem is already solved: Rybka is the 2007 champion :-)

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Tony Thomas » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:50 am

Graham Banks wrote:
bedouin wrote:The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.
Let's put it this way. If they can't humble themselves to admit that Rybka is the strongest engine at present, they must be seriously deluded. They'd certainly get laughed out of here!
There was no such question asked. If someone ask you, have you ever stolen from your employer? You wouldnt tell them the story about you stealing a candy from the grocery store when you were five, would you?

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Graham Banks » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:51 am

Tony Thomas wrote:There was no such question asked.
Then there's nothing to worry about! :P :wink:

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by bedouin » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:51 am

Tony Thomas wrote:There was no such question asked. If someone ask you, have you ever stolen from your employer? You wouldnt tell them the story about you stealing a candy from the grocery store when you were five, would you?
The way I understood it is that Rybka at the point the interview was conducted had not won the championship and so they pointed to its 2-3rd place in the previous World Championship. They did however consider it among the top 3 or 5 programs in the world. As Jeroen has added now Rybka has won the championship so that viewpoint is no longer correct.

Was it in order for FIDE to stage that competition at that time meaning Junior and Fritz would miss the World Championship (David Levi President of the ICGA was arbiter. The ICGA also hold the computer championship)? Shouldn't the ICGA/FIDE treat these things more seriously unless they want to recreate the mess of Kasparov breaking away etc?

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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Daniel Mehrmann » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:25 pm

Alexander Kure is also not the guy who programmed Fritz so that guy did not express an opinion there.

Uri
"and Alexander Kure, representing the team Deep Fritz"

You have to accept this. He is offical representing the Fritz team. If he is a programmer or not is meanless, the conference wasn't about chessprogramming, it was about marketing and buisness in computerchess.

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Daniel

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Post by pijl » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:47 pm

Jeroen wrote:As they only mention the WCCC as being the right tournament to evaluate the rankings in the chess computer world, the problem is already solved: Rybka is the 2007 champion :-)
Only because Junior and Fritz were not there :wink:
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Re: Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

Post by Uri Blass » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:17 pm

Daniel Mehrmann wrote:
Alexander Kure is also not the guy who programmed Fritz so that guy did not express an opinion there.

Uri
"and Alexander Kure, representing the team Deep Fritz"

You have to accept this. He is offical representing the Fritz team. If he is a programmer or not is meanless, the conference wasn't about chessprogramming, it was about marketing and buisness in computerchess.

Best,
Daniel
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bedouin wrote:
The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.



No
I did not find a single place when they claimed that rybka is not the best.

Alexander Kure is also not the guy who programmed Fritz so that guy did not express an opinion there.

Uri



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The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference



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Alexander Kure is also not the guy who programmed Fritz so that guy did not express an opinion there.


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