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Stockfish Wins Chess Com Engines Champs9!

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https://www.chess.com/news/view/compute ... ish-10-lc0

https://cccfiles.chess.com/archive/tournament-32103.pgn Pgn games File

"Stockfish Wins Computer Chess Championship As Neural Networks Play Catch-Up
The reigning Chess.com Computer Chess Champion Stockfish continues to assert itself as the greatest chess engine of all time, recently picking up a win in CCC 9: The Gauntlet.
Stockfish won CCC 9 over Leelenstein, a neural-network chess engine based on Lc0, the leading machine-learning chess project.
The champion engine triumphed in the blitz time control of CCC 9, beating 17 other engines in a "gauntlet" format.
Stockfish now looks to defend its title in CCC 10: Double Digits, an 18-engine tournament played in four rounds. CCC 10 is now in progress—watch at the Computer Chess Championship.

The first three rounds of CCC 10 will all be played at a time control of 10 minutes plus a three-second increment, on the border between blitz and rapid.

The two-engine finals of CCC 10 will be 400 games split up among three blitz and rapid time controls to determine the champion.

The neural network engines, led by Lc0, will try to dethrone the legendary Stockfish. Lc0 and Leelenstein will play in the first two stages, while various less-proven engines will try to qualify. The Allie neural network engine will join the tournament in stage two without playing in stage one.

The latest version of Stockfish, updated on August 5, boasts a big rating gain thanks to a recent patch. CCC organizers estimate the fish will gain a whopping 13 Elo points over its old self.
Lc0 will also bring its A-game to the tournament, running with net 42850, which should be the strongest network produced in the most recent training run, according to CCC planners.

Returning to the Computer Chess Championship is the enigmatic Stoofvlees engine, which is an experimental project combining several cutting-edge artificial intelligence techniques. The Stoofvlees engine uses feature recognizers paired with a neural network that was trained with an oracle of grandmaster games. The results were then built into the Deep Sjeng engine to create the new chess machine. Stoofvlees is written by the former Leela Go author "GCP," and reached the quarterfinals of CCC 9. "
Leelenstein will look for revenge on behalf of the neural-network engines in CCC 10.
CCC 10: Double Digits Information:

Engines: 18
Stages: 4
Games: 1,756
Estimated duration: 32 days
CCC 10 Stage 1 (qualifiers):

Format: 3x round-robin
Engines: 13
Games: 468
Time control: 10+3
Opening book: yes
Adjudication: bullet mode + 20-ply dead draw rule
Engine list:
1. Stockfish
2. Leelenstein
3. Lc0
4. Ethereal
5. Laser
6. Xiphos
7. Andscacs
8. Dark Queen Lc0
9. Rofchade
10. Rubichess
11. Stoofvlees
12. Winter NN
13. Lc0-CPU
CCC 10 Stage 2 (quarterfinals):

Format: 4x round-robin
Engines: 12
Games: 528
Time control: 10+3
Opening book: yes
Adjudication: bullet mode + 20-ply dead draw rule
Engine list:
1. Stockfish (Automatic from CCC 9)
2. Leelenstein (Automatic)
3. Lc0 (Automatic)
4. Allie (Automatic)
5. Komodo (Automatic)
6. Houdini (Automatic)
7. Komodo MC (Automatic)
8. Fire (Automatic)
9-12. Top four qualifiers from previous stage
CCC 10 Stage 3 (semifinals):

Format: 12x round-robin
Engines: 6
Games: 360
Time control: 10+3
Opening book: yes
Adjudication: bullet mode + 20-ply dead draw rule
Engine list:
1-6. Top six finishers from previous stage
CCC 10 Stage 4 (finals):

Format: 200 games at 3+2, 120 games at 10+3, 80 games at 25+5
Engines: 2
Games: 400
Time controls: 3+2, 10+5, 25+5
Opening book: yes
Adjudication: bullet mode + 20-ply dead draw rule
Engine list:
1-2. Top two finishers from previous stage" (Chess.com)

https://cccfiles.chess.com/archive/tournament-32103.pgn Pgn games File

Congrats to Stockfish.....Fantastic Win...Still On Top!! :) :wink:
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Stockfish even won a game as Black with the weird KGA opening 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 h5 4. d4 g5 5. Bc4

[pgn][Event "CCC 9: The Gauntlet Final (10|5)"] [Site "Chess.com"] [Date "2019.07.11"] [Round "180"] [White "Leelenstein"] [Black "Stockfish"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C34"] [PlyCount "136"] [EventDate "2019.??.??"] 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 h5 4. d4 g5 5. Bc4 h4 6. h3 d6 7. Nc3 c6 8. Qe2 Bg7 9. Bd2 a5 10. O-O-O b5 11. Bd3 Na6 12. Rhe1 Kf8 13. Qf2 Rh5 14. Kb1 Nb4 15. Be2 d5 16. a3 dxe4 17. Nxe4 Nd5 18. Bd3 b4 19. a4 Bf5 20. Bc1 Ra7 21. Qf1 Bxe4 22. Rxe4 Re7 23. Qe2 Qe8 24. Re1 Bf6 25. Ne5 Rh8 26. Bc4 Kg7 27. Bb3 Nh6 28. Qa6 Re6 29. Qxa5 Nf5 30. Rd1 Bd8 31. Qa6 Bb6 32. a5 Nxd4 33. Rexd4 Bxd4 34. Nxf7 Qxf7 35. Rxd4 Rd8 36. Qd3 Re1 37. Re4 Rxe4 38. Qxe4 Ra8 39. Qd4+ Qf6 40. Qc5 Qd8 41. Qxc6 Qxa5 42. c3 Ne7 43. Qd6 Ng6 44. Qd4+ Kh6 45. Qxb4 Qf5+ 46. Bc2 Ra1+ 47. Kxa1 Qxc2 48. Bxf4 gxf4 49. Qb7 Qd3 50. Ka2 f3 51. Qxf3 Qxf3 52. gxf3 Kg5 53. b4 Kf6 54. b5 Ke6 55. Kb3 Nf4 56. Kc4 Nxh3 57. Kd4 Nf4 58. Ke3 h3 59. Kd2 h2 60. b6 h1=Q 61. b7 Qb1 62. b8=R Qxb8 63. Kc2 Qb5 64. c4 Qxc4+ 65. Kd2 Ke5 66. Kd1 Qe2+ 67. Kc1 Nd3+ 68. Kb1 Qb2# 0-1[/pgn]
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jdart wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:19 am Stockfish even won a game as Black with the weird KGA opening 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 h5 4. d4 g5 5. Bc4
Yes Jon....I find these Chess.com games of a very high quality and very interesting....just noticed the fantastic time control
of 10 min +3 sec...so there are no excuses and is enough time for a early strategical approach...has Arasan been entered before in the Chess.com Champs? I don't recall seeing it....Might be a good idea....Andscacs is entered...AR :) :wink:

ps Just happened to view a Wild game today..Queen side castling by black in a modern defense!

[Event "CCC10: Double Digits Qualification, Take 2 (10|3)"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2019.08.16"]
[Round "12"]
[White "Lc0 CPU"]
[Black "Xiphos"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B06"]
[GameDuration "00:28:41"]
[GameEndTime "2019-08-16T17:35:29.496 PDT"]
[GameStartTime "2019-08-16T17:06:47.825 PDT"]
[Opening "Robatsch (Modern) defense"]
[PlyCount "217"]
[TimeControl "600+3"]


[pgn] 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 a6 7. a4 Bg4 8. h3 Bxf3 9. Qxf3 Nbd7 10. Be2 Qc7 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Bd2 Kb8 13. Rfb1 Qa5 14. Rd1 Qc7 15. Rdb1 Qa5 16. Be1 Rde8 17. Bf1 Rhf8 18. Qd1 Ka8 19. Ra3 Rc8 20. Bd2 Rfe8 21. Rba1 Rf8 22. Rb3 Rb8 23. Qe2 Ng8 24. g3 h5 25. Bg2 h4 26. g4 f6 27. Qe1 Qd8 28. a5 g5 29. Na4 Nh6 30. Nb6+ Ka7 31. Rba3 f5 32. exf5 Bxb2 33. Bxg5 Bxa1 34. Rxa1 Ng8 35. Rb1 Ngf6 36. Bxh4 Nxb6 37. axb6+ Ka8 38. Bg3 Nd7 39. Qe4 Rg8 40. Bf3 Nxb6 41. h4 c4 42. Re1 Qd7 43. Kg2 Rbe8 44. g5 Qc8 45. Bh5 Ref8 46. Bg6 Ka7 47. h5 Rd8 48. h6 a5 49. h7 Rgf8 50. f3 Qc7 51. Bf2 Ka6 52. Bd4 Rb8 53. f4 a4 54. Kg3 Rbd8 55. Qxe7 Qxe7 56. Rxe7 a3 57. Re1 Rb8 58. f6 Nxd5 59. f7 a2 60. f5 c3 61. Ra1 Kb5 62. Rxa2 Ne7 63. Ra1 Kc6 64. Kg4 b5 65. Bh5 b4 66. g6 b3 67. cxb3 Rh8 68. g7 Rhd8 69. h8=Q Ng8 70. fxg8=Q Rxg8 71. Bxc3 Rgd8 72. Bd4 Rxh8 73. gxh8=Q Rxh8 74. Ra2 Rf8 75. Ra3 Rb8 76. Ra4 Kd7 77. Ra5 Rb4 78. Ra6 Rxd4+ 79. Kg5 Rb4 80. f6 Rb5+ 81. Kg6 Ke6 82. Bg4+ Ke5 83. f7 Rb8 84. Ra7 d5 85. b4 Kd4 86. b5 Rd8 87. b6 Ke4 88. b7 d4 89. Ra8 Rd6+ 90. Kg5 Rd5+ 91. Bf5+ Rxf5+ 92. Kg6 Rf2 93. Re8+ Kd3 94. Rd8 Rg2+ 95. Kf5 Rf2+ 96. Ke5 Rxf7 97. b8=Q Re7+ 98. Kf6 Kc4 99. Kxe7 Kc5 100. Rxd4 Kc6 101. Qb6+ Kxb6 102. Kd6 Kb5 103. Re4 Kb6 104. Re5 Kb7 105. Rb5+ Ka6 106. Kc6 Ka7 107. Ra5+ Kb8 108. Ra6 Kc8 109. Ra8# 1-0[/pgn]
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I agree. The latest patches for Stockfish are amazing. Stockfish is again best. Lc0 will need to see great things from the T6000 training. And that will take some time. In the mean time. Stockfish will keep improving and widen its lead!
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supersharp77 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:47 am
jdart wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:19 am Stockfish even won a game as Black with the weird KGA opening 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 h5 4. d4 g5 5. Bc4
Yes Jon....I find these Chess.com games of a very high quality and very interesting....just noticed the fantastic time control
of 10 min +3 sec...so there are no excuses and is enough time for a early strategical approach...has Arasan been entered before in the Chess.com Champs? I don't recall seeing it....Might be a good idea....Andscacs is entered...AR :) :wink:

ps Just happened to view a Wild game today..Queen side castling by black in a modern defense!

[Event "CCC10: Double Digits Qualification, Take 2 (10|3)"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2019.08.16"]
[Round "12"]
[White "Lc0 CPU"]
[Black "Xiphos"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B06"]
[GameDuration "00:28:41"]
[GameEndTime "2019-08-16T17:35:29.496 PDT"]
[GameStartTime "2019-08-16T17:06:47.825 PDT"]
[Opening "Robatsch (Modern) defense"]
[PlyCount "217"]
[TimeControl "600+3"]
This game with shallow analyze on Lichess : https://lichess.org/mUTmWwdU
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Hey, look!

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The *air quotes* World Champion *air quotes* in 5th place! Welcome to the real world!

They have the strongest software around, and they even allow Opening Books instead of repeating silly openings for both sides!

Looks like people are doing something right :)

Congrats to the Stockfish team!
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supersharp77 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:47 am
jdart wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:19 am Stockfish even won a game as Black with the weird KGA opening 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 h5 4. d4 g5 5. Bc4
Yes Jon....I find these Chess.com games of a very high quality and very interesting....just noticed the fantastic time control
of 10 min +3 sec...so there are no excuses and is enough time for a early strategical approach...has Arasan been entered before in the Chess.com Champs? I don't recall seeing it....Might be a good idea....Andscacs is entered...AR :) :wink:

Maybe very interesting, but certainly not very high quality at that time control. Here's a position from the Leelenstein-Stockfish game posted earlier.

[d]4q2r/5pk1/2p1rb2/Q2nNnp1/Pp1PRp1p/1B5P/1PP3P1/1KB1R3 w - - 1 30

Here White played 30. Rd1, losing the game.
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This competition is a newer evidence for the statement that NN engines are stronger than Stockfish only in that case if the competitors do not use an independent opening book.
In general there is no serious difference in Elo between Stockfish and the top NN engines.
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I have heard that hand-crafted evaluation functions are a way of the past and had introduced bias beyond redemption.