Fruit-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/fruit-family.txt
Rybka3-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/rybka-family.txt
Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
More at - http://rebel13.nl/rebel13/experiments.html#11
Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
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Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
Have you tried to put Sf8 and Sf9 there?Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm Fruit-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/fruit-family.txt
Rybka3-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/rybka-family.txt
Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
More at - http://rebel13.nl/rebel13/experiments.html#11
Do you have Houdini 6?
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
The list is very short and mostly open_source engines, some though open_source and although the negative test, are clearly inspired or derived from Stockfish.Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
Simply the mentality towards this question has changed.
The better or worse, is the question.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
This description sounds quite naive, especially considering the minimal sample.Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm
Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
I have a longer version, not much different.Laskos wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:24 pmHave you tried to put Sf8 and Sf9 there?Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm Fruit-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/fruit-family.txt
Rybka3-Family - http://rebel13.nl/text/rybka-family.txt
Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
More at - http://rebel13.nl/rebel13/experiments.html#11
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Positions 8238 Ands Ethe Komo Lase Lase Stoc Stoc Stoc Xiph
{Andscacs 0.93 } ----- 45.52 45.19 44.40 44.97 46.01 47.44 47.40 46.99
{Ethereal 11.25} 45.52 ----- 46.61 47.58 50.44 50.64 50.47 50.79 50.67
{Komodo 9.42 } 45.19 46.61 ----- 45.13 46.69 48.66 49.33 48.86 48.32
{Laser 1.6 } 44.40 47.58 45.13 ----- 53.13 45.42 47.38 46.35 46.22
{Laser 1.7 } 44.97 50.44 46.69 53.13 ----- 48.82 49.54 49.16 49.04
{Stockfish 10 } 46.01 50.64 48.66 45.42 48.82 ----- 56.20 58.22 51.63
{Stockfish 8 } 47.44 50.47 49.33 47.38 49.54 56.20 ----- 57.19 51.21
{Stockfish 9 } 47.40 50.79 48.86 46.35 49.16 58.22 57.19 ----- 50.53
{Xiphos 0.5 } 46.99 50.67 48.32 46.22 49.04 51.63 51.21 50.53 -----
1. Engine {Stockfish 10 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 58.22%
2. Engine {Stockfish 8 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 57.19%
3. Engine {Stockfish 10 } and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 56.20%
4. Engine {Laser 1.6 } and {Laser 1.7 } show a similarity of 53.13%
5. Engine {Stockfish 10 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 51.63%
6. Engine {Stockfish 8 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 51.21%
7. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 50.79%
8. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 50.67%
9. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Stockfish 10 } show a similarity of 50.64%
10. Engine {Stockfish 9 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 50.53%
11. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 50.47%
12. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Laser 1.7 } show a similarity of 50.44%
13. Engine {Laser 1.7 } and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 49.54%
14. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 49.33%
15. Engine {Laser 1.7 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 49.16%
16. Engine {Laser 1.7 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 49.04%
17. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 48.86%
18. Engine {Laser 1.7 } and {Stockfish 10 } show a similarity of 48.82%
19. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Stockfish 10 } show a similarity of 48.66%
20. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 48.32%
21. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Laser 1.6 } show a similarity of 47.58%
22. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 47.44%
23. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 47.40%
24. Engine {Laser 1.6 } and {Stockfish 8 } show a similarity of 47.38%
25. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 46.99%
26. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Laser 1.7 } show a similarity of 46.69%
27. Engine {Ethereal 11.25} and {Komodo 9.42 } show a similarity of 46.61%
28. Engine {Laser 1.6 } and {Stockfish 9 } show a similarity of 46.35%
29. Engine {Laser 1.6 } and {Xiphos 0.5 } show a similarity of 46.22%
30. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Stockfish 10 } show a similarity of 46.01%
31. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Ethereal 11.25} show a similarity of 45.52%
32. Engine {Laser 1.6 } and {Stockfish 10 } show a similarity of 45.42%
33. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Komodo 9.42 } show a similarity of 45.19%
34. Engine {Komodo 9.42 } and {Laser 1.6 } show a similarity of 45.13%
35. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Laser 1.7 } show a similarity of 44.97%
36. Engine {Andscacs 0.93 } and {Laser 1.6 } show a similarity of 44.40%
Nope.Do you have Houdini 6?
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
t is clear that with SIM 3.
A and B: Sim 60%
A and C: Sim 60%
But not always B and C are 60%, sometimes very different.
Therefore, a Stockfish 8 derivative is not similar to a Stockfish 10 derivative in most cases.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
The crazy days you got a public spanking when you as a programmer released a version derived from an open source -- and were open about that -- are fortunately over.velmarin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:58 pmThe list is very short and mostly open_source engines, some though open_source and although the negative test, are clearly inspired or derived from Stockfish.Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
Simply the mentality towards this question has changed.
The better or worse, is the question.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
It's true for the top-10. I don't worry much about H6.Guenther wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:59 pmThis description sounds quite naive, especially considering the minimal sample.Rebel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm
Today - http://rebel13.nl/text/anno-2019.txt
Pretty much healthy situation, computer chess healed itself.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
Added latest versions of Fire, Booot, Fizbo, still sane.
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Re: Experiment 11 - Similarity between the top engines back then and now.
Hello Ed,
http://www.amateurschach.de/common/feob ... ines-3.png
Based on average of 41.614 opening positions for each of the ten engines.
More of such stats are included in Excel development files for FEOBOS opening book.
Not longer important ... FEOBOS is ready, project is closed.
All what I need for testing engines I have.
More important what you do here!!
All the time interesting to see such results.
Thank you for your work!!
I will study in detail on weekend ...
Not a work for two minutes and the next please!
Best
Frank
http://www.amateurschach.de/common/feob ... ines-3.png
Based on average of 41.614 opening positions for each of the ten engines.
More of such stats are included in Excel development files for FEOBOS opening book.
Not longer important ... FEOBOS is ready, project is closed.
All what I need for testing engines I have.
More important what you do here!!
All the time interesting to see such results.
Thank you for your work!!
I will study in detail on weekend ...
Not a work for two minutes and the next please!
Best
Frank