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Henk
Posts: 7216 Joined: Mon May 27, 2013 10:31 am
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by Henk » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:46 pm
Right move but wrong value.
[d] 8/p3q1kp/1p2Pnp1/3pQ3/2pP4/1nP3N1/1B4PP/6K1 w - - 0 34
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170 0.00 22.6M 1:30.00 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7
160 0.00 9.8M 0:32.45 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4
150 0.00 6.1M 0:19.69 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6
140 0.00 4.4M 0:13.57 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7
130 0.00 2.7M 0:08.10 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7
120 0.00 2.2M 0:06.74 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h6 c7f4
110 +0.27 667315 0:02.07 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 e5g5 e7d8 b2a3 f6e4 g5d5 d8d5 f4d5
100 +0.52 379454 0:01.21 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 e5g5 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5 g5d5 c6a5
90 +0.45 236803 0:00.77 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 e5g5 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5 g5d5
80 +0.34 156787 0:00.54 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 e5g5 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5
70 +0.41 63554 0:00.26 g3e2 g7g8 e2f4 f6g4 e5d5 g4e3 d5f3
60 +0.28 27460 0:00.15 g3e2 h7h6 e2f4 g7h7 f4d5 f6d5
50 -0.19 11525 0:00.10 g3e2 g7g8 e2f4 e7d8 e5g5
40 -0.37 7237 0:00.08 g3e2 g7g8 e2f4 e7d8
30 -0.10 2177 0:00.05 g1h1 g7g8 e5b8
20 +0.19 510 0:00.05 e5b8 e7e6
10 +0.44 61 0:00.04 g1h1
Henk
Posts: 7216 Joined: Mon May 27, 2013 10:31 am
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by Henk » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:08 pm
Two knights:
[d] r1bqkb1r/ppp2ppp/2n2n2/3Pp1N1/2B5/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - 0 5
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140 -0.70 14.5M 1:30.00 f6d5 d1h5 g7g6 h5f3 d8g5 c4d5 c6d8 e1g1 c7c6 d5c4 h7h5 b1c3 f8c5 f1e1
130 -0.70 9.7M 1:04.46 f6d5 d1h5 g7g6 h5f3 d8g5 c4d5 c6d8 e1g1 c7c6 d5e4 f7f5 e4d3 d8e6
120 -0.54 4.6M 0:29.96 f6d5 d1h5 g7g6 h5f3 d8g5 c4d5 c6d8 e1g1 c8g4 f3c3 c7c6 d2d4
110 -0.69 2.3M 0:12.06 f6d5 d1h5 g7g6 h5f3 c8e6 g5e6 f7e6 e1g1 c6d4 f3e4 f8g7
100 -0.70 1.4M 0:07.44 f6d5 d1h5 g7g6 h5f3 c8e6 g5e6 f7e6 e1g1 c6d4 f3d3
90 -0.37 458582 0:02.33 f6d5 b1c3 d8g5 c3d5 f8d6 e1g1 c8g4 d1e1 e8c8
80 -0.26 200286 0:01.13 f6d5 b1c3 d8g5 c3d5 f8d6 e1g1 e8g8 d1e1
70 -0.13 101979 0:00.61 f6d5 b1c3 d8g5 c3d5 g5d8 e1g1 f8c5
60 -0.34 48661 0:00.33 f6d5 b1c3 c6b4 c3d5 b4d5 e1g1
50 -0.12 12737 0:00.14 f6d5 e1g1 d8g5 c4d5 c6d4
40 -0.20 4171 0:00.09 f6d5 e1g1 c6d4 c4d5
30 0.00 876 0:00.07 f6d5 e1g1 f7f6
20 -0.45 407 0:00.06 f6d5 e1g1
10 +0.23 75 0:00.04 f6d5
Henk
Posts: 7216 Joined: Mon May 27, 2013 10:31 am
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by Henk » Fri May 05, 2017 11:36 am
No
[d] 8/p3q1kp/1p2Pnp1/3pQ3/2pP4/1nP3N1/1B4PP/6K1 w - - 0 34
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Depth Value Time(seconds) Nodes
210 -0.0300 106.23 65285384 b2a3 e7a3 g3h5 g6h5 e5g5 g7f8 g5f6 f8g8 f6f7 g8h8 f7f6 h8g8 f6f7 g8h8 f7f6 h8g8 f6f7 g8h8 f7f6 h8g8 f6f7 g8h8
200 -0.0900 15.34 9883711 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8
190 -0.0800 3.86 3403032 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8
180 -0.0200 1.65 1610525 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7 g7h8 c7b8 h8g7 b8c7
170 0.0000 1.14 874864 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h8 c7b8 f6g8 b8e5 g8f6 e5b8 f6g8 b8e5 g8f6 e5b8 f6g8 b8e5 g8f6 e5b8 f6g8
160 0.0100 0.68 712832 b2a3 e7a3 e5c7 g7h8 c7b8 f6e8 b8e8 h8g7 e8f7 g7h6 f7f4 h6g7 f4c7 g7h8 c7e5 h8g8
150 -0.7100 0.32 375361 h2h3 h7h6 e5b8 e7e6 b8a7 g7f8 g1f1 f8e8 a7b8 e8e7 f1f2 f6h5 g3h5 g6h5 b2a3
140 -0.7100 4.51 3659427 g3f1 e7b7 e5g5 b3a5 b2a1 a5c6 g1h1 b6b5 a1b2 b5b4 c3b4 c6b4 g5f4 f6e4
130 -0.6900 0.12 137297 b2a3 e7d8 e5d6 d8d6 a3d6 b3d2 g3f1 d2b1 d6b4 b6b5 f1e3 b1d2 g1h1
120 -0.7100 0.80 767016 g3h1 b3d2 g1f2 d2b1 h1g3 b1a3 b2a1 a3c2 a1b2 b6b5 b2c1 c2a1
110 -0.7200 0.07 65556 e5b8 e7e6 b8a7 g7h6 h2h3 e6e1 g1h2 e1b1 b2a3 b3a1 a3b4
100 -0.7100 0.02 25486 g3h1 b3d2 g1f2 d2b1 h1g3 b1a3 b2a1 a3c2 a1b2 b6b5
90 -0.7100 0.01 15324 g1f2 b3d2 b2a1 d2b1 a1b2 b1a3 b2a1 a3c2 a1b2
80 -0.7500 0.02 12664 e5e2 b3a5 g1f1 g7f8 f1e1 g6g5 g3f1 a5b3
70 -0.7500 0.00 3708 g1f1 b3d2 f1e1 d2b1 e1d1 b1a3 d1c1
60 -0.7200 0.00 2215 g1f1 b3d2 f1e1 d2b1 e1d1 b1a3
50 -0.7000 0.00 3134 g3h1 b3d2 g1f2 d2b1 h1g3
40 -0.7000 0.00 635 g1f1 b3d2 f1e1 d2b1
30 -0.7100 0.00 355 g1f1 b3d2 f1e1
20 -0.7000 0.00 616 e5e2 b3a5
10 -0.7400 0.04 91 g1f2
flok
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by flok » Fri May 05, 2017 1:25 pm
Embla 4133
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13:11:18 folkert@belle:~/t/trunk-temop trunk(1) 3m7s ‡ ./Embla -p listen_port=3240 -B -p initial_fen='8/p3q1kp/1p2Pnp1/3pQ3/2pP4/1nP3N1/1B4PP/6K1 w - - 0 34'
go
info depth 1 seldepth 3 score cp -45 time 1 nodes 41 pv e5e3
info depth 2 seldepth 6 score cp -69 time 1 nodes 253 pv e5e3 a7a5
info depth 3 seldepth 6 score cp -69 ebf 3.46 time 2 nodes 745 pv e5e3 a7a5 e3e5
info depth 4 seldepth 9 score cp -78 ebf 4.39 time 10 nodes 4836 pv g3e2 a7a5 e2f4 a5a4
info depth 5 seldepth 12 score cp -40 ebf 3.70 time 22 nodes 11575 pv g3e2 g7g8 e5b8 f6e8 e2f4 g6g5
info depth 6 seldepth 14 score cp -33 ebf 1.67 time 43 nodes 22977 pv g3e2 e7b7 e6e7 b7c6 e2f4 a7a5
info depth 7 seldepth 14 score cp -12 ebf 1.91 time 88 nodes 47463 pv g3e2 g7f8 e2f4 e7d8 b2a3 f8g7 e6e7 d8d7
info depth 8 seldepth 18 score cp -30 ebf 2.02 time 171 nodes 93835 pv g3e2 e7b7 e6e7 b7d7 e2f4
info depth 9 seldepth 17 score cp 48 ebf 0.60 time 187 nodes 102636 pv g3e2
info depth 9 seldepth 19 score cp 63 ebf 1.19 time 293 nodes 167762 pv g3e2 a7a5 e2f4 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5 e5d5 b6b5 d5e5
info depth 10 seldepth 20 score cp 67 ebf 3.81 time 498 nodes 295285 pv g3e2 a7a5 e2f4 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5 e5d5 b6b5 d5a8 e7f8 a8f8 g8f8
info depth 11 seldepth 22 score cp 63 ebf 1.33 time 673 nodes 411144 pv g3e2 a7a5 e2f4 g7g8 f4d5 f6d5 e5d5 b6b5 d5a8 g8g7 a8c6 g7g8
info depth 12 seldepth 23 score cp 56 ebf 2.29 time 1740 nodes 1078666 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 a7a5 d4d5 a5a4
info depth 13 seldepth 25 score cp 18 ebf 2.09 time 2500 nodes 1585785 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 d3f4 e7c8 f4e2 g1h1 e2c3 c8a7
info depth 14 seldepth 25 score cp 17 ebf 0.98 time 3481 nodes 2227165 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 g7g8
info depth 15 seldepth 29 score cp 27 ebf 1.58 time 5544 nodes 3494863 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 g7g8 a7c6
info depth 16 seldepth 30 score cp 24 ebf 2.07 time 9887 nodes 6236168 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 g7g8 a7c6 f6e4
info depth 17 seldepth 29 score cp 27 ebf 1.63 time 14934 nodes 9623662 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 e6f4 a7c6 f4e2 g1h1 e2f4
info depth 18 seldepth 32 score cp 29 ebf 1.68 time 26583 nodes 17339492 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 f6d5 a7c6 b6b5 a1b2 g7g8
info depth 19 seldepth 33 score cp 30 ebf 1.85 time 44123 nodes 28884172 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 e6f4 a7c6 f4d3 c6e5 b6b5 h2h3
info depth 20 seldepth 34 score cp 28 ebf 2.53 time 120450 nodes 78345435 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 e6f4 a7b5 f6g4 b5d6 g4e3 d6e8 g7g8 e8f6 g8h8
info depth 21 seldepth 36 score cp 29 ebf 2.78 time 257453 nodes 167872363 pv g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 e6f4 a7c6 f4e2 g1f1 e2f4 c6e5 b6b5 a1b2 g7g8
Sean Evans
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by Sean Evans » Sat May 06, 2017 11:47 am
Hello Henk,
I notice Skipper makes reasonable increases in Elo each maybe 50 Elo points. Why do you think other programs like Andscacs are starting at 2600 Elo and a few years later they are at 3200 Elo?
thank you
Sean
hgm
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by hgm » Sat May 06, 2017 12:57 pm
I wouldn't say Skipper makes reasonable Elo increase, for the Elo range it is in. After many years it still around the level of Fairy-Max. As an exercise I once wrote a completely new engine from scratch, (KingSlayer), and after one week it was already 150 Elo better than Fairy-Max. That amounts to 300 Elo per day .
Henk
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by Henk » Sat May 06, 2017 4:28 pm
hgm wrote: I wouldn't say Skipper makes reasonable Elo increase, for the Elo range it is in. After many years it still around the level of Fairy-Max. As an exercise I once wrote a completely new engine from scratch, (KingSlayer), and after one week it was already 150 Elo better than Fairy-Max. That amounts to 300 Elo per day .
So another four days work and we have a new world champion.
I'm not a serious average developer so Skipper is an exception. I don't like serious testing and I copy too less. I am already glad if I have no bugs in move generator after each 'improvement'.
Fifty elo per year is a long term average over twenty years.
Daniel Anulliero
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by Daniel Anulliero » Sun May 07, 2017 11:47 pm
Henk wrote: hgm wrote: I wouldn't say Skipper makes reasonable Elo increase, for the Elo range it is in. After many years it still around the level of Fairy-Max. As an exercise I once wrote a completely new engine from scratch, (KingSlayer), and after one week it was already 150 Elo better than Fairy-Max. That amounts to 300 Elo per day .
So another four days work and we have a new world champion.
I'm not a serious average developer so Skipper is an exception. I don't like serious testing and I copy too less. I am already glad if I have no bugs in move generator after each 'improvement'.
Fifty elo per year is a long term average over twenty years.
As usual very kinds commentaries by our prefered troll..
You say this kind of things Henk because Skipper is always weak after many years , you'vé not the patience to test it !
Easy to say " bah , my engine is weak because not much time to work on it " pff poor guy ,
HGM just gave you a new lesson
listen the experts advices !
Isa download :
Henk
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by Henk » Mon May 08, 2017 12:18 am
Daniel Anulliero wrote: Henk wrote: hgm wrote: I wouldn't say Skipper makes reasonable Elo increase, for the Elo range it is in. After many years it still around the level of Fairy-Max. As an exercise I once wrote a completely new engine from scratch, (KingSlayer), and after one week it was already 150 Elo better than Fairy-Max. That amounts to 300 Elo per day .
So another four days work and we have a new world champion.
I'm not a serious average developer so Skipper is an exception. I don't like serious testing and I copy too less. I am already glad if I have no bugs in move generator after each 'improvement'.
Fifty elo per year is a long term average over twenty years.
As usual very kinds commentaries by our prefered troll..
You say this kind of things Henk because Skipper is always weak after many years , you'vé not the patience to test it !
Easy to say " bah , my engine is weak because not much time to work on it " pff poor guy ,
HGM just gave you a new lesson
listen the experts advices !
I already knew I was doing fine. Thank you. But no need to repeat that all the time. All these compliments make me shy.
Henk
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by Henk » Wed May 17, 2017 4:27 pm
PV length from 22 back to 16. So progress of -6 ply. Fantastic.
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Depth Value Time(seconds) Nodes
320 0.6600 58.46 25857748 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c6 f4e6 c6a7 h7h6 a1b2 f6d5
310 0.5800 128.64 58395999 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c6 f4e6 c6a7 h7h6 a1b2 f6e4
300 0.6700 63.56 27536114 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c6 f4e6 c6a7 h7h6 a1b2 f6e4
290 0.7500 38.29 17017470 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c6 f4e6 c6a7 h7h6 a1b2 f6e4
280 0.6600 18.62 7814948 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a1 d3f4 e7c6 f4e6 c6a7 h7h6 a1b2 f6e4
270 0.5600 29.21 13348241 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 d3f4 e7c8 f4e6 c8a7 h7h6 a3b2 f6e4
260 0.6800 11.29 5069077 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 h7h6 e7c8 d3f4 e6e7 f4e2 g1h1 e2c3
250 0.6600 8.22 3604858 g3e2 b3a5 e2f4 a5c6 f4d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 h7h6 e7c8 d3f4 e6e7 f4e2 g1h1
240 0.6000 26.00 10371809 g3f1 b3a5 f1e3 a5c6 e3d5 c6e5 d5e7 e5d3 b2a3 h7h6 e7c8 d3f4 e6e7 f4e2
230 0.8000 1.45 745205 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1 b6b5 g1h1
220 0.8000 2.29 992840 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1 b6b5 g1h1
210 0.7200 1.15 560048 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1 b6b5
200 0.7200 1.16 405000 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1 b6b5
190 0.8000 0.67 293969 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1
180 0.8000 0.45 193306 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6 h1g1
170 0.7200 0.98 378988 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 g7h7 e3d5 f6d5 e5d5 b3a5 g1h1 a7a6
160 0.7000 0.39 127557 g3f1 e7d8 f1e3 g7f8 e3d5 f6d5 e5h8 f8e7 b2a3 b3c5 h8h7 e7e6
150 0.3400 0.62 197254 g3f1 e7d8 f1e3 g7f8 b2a3 f8g7 a3d6 d8a8 e5f4
140 0.6100 0.25 82981 g3f1 e7b7 f1e3 b7c6 e6e7 g7f7 g1h1
130 0.6100 0.33 99411 g3f1 e7b7 f1e3 b7c6 e6e7 g7f7 g1h1
120 0.5300 0.14 39139 g3f1 e7b7 f1e3 b7c6 e6e7 g7f7
110 0.5300 0.12 39160 g3f1 e7b7 f1e3 b7c6 e6e7 g7f7
100 0.2000 0.02 9100 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 e7b7 e6e7
90 0.2000 0.03 11072 g3f1 h7h6 f1e3 e7b7 e6e7
80 0.1700 0.01 4212 g3h1 g7h8 e5b8 e7e8 b8e5
70 0.1600 0.03 8269 g3e2 h7h6 e2f4 e7d8
60 0.1200 0.00 1304 g3e2 g7h8 e2f4
50 0.1800 0.01 1916 g3e2 g7h8 e2f4
40 0.1000 0.00 548 g3f1 g7h8
30 0.0400 0.01 916 g3e2 g7h8
20 0.5200 0.00 139 g3e2
10 0.4400 0.05 147 e5e1