Rating close to fide elo
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Rating close to fide elo
Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
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Re: Rating close to fide elo
There was a discussion on this in this threadFerdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506
It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
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Re: Rating close to fide elo
Thanks.Laskos wrote:There was a discussion on this in this threadFerdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506
It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
I also found some Mephistos,
http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb432434/level.htm
and it also fortunate that Ed had shared in uci some of these engines.
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Re: Rating close to fide elo
From SSDF based on long TC:Laskos wrote:There was a discussion on this in this threadFerdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506
It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.
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THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13 %138040 games played by 353 computers
Rating + - Games Won Oppo
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298 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1828 22 -21 1016 57% 1776
In Blitz game, I got this:
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Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540]
Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84
50 of 50 games finished.
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# PLAYER : RATING +/- GAMES PTS(%) CFS(next)
1 CDrill 1800 : 2006.3 50.0 50 54.0 71
2 Mephisto Amsterdam : 1978.0 50.0 50 46.0 ---
White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
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I would say this is the FIDE rating. The USCF rating of Mephisto Amsterdam is about 2119, according to this siteFerdy wrote:From SSDF based on long TC:Laskos wrote:There was a discussion on this in this threadFerdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506
It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.So this could be around Elo 1978 +/- 21Code: Select all
THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13 %138040 games played by 353 computers Rating + - Games Won Oppo ------ --- --- ----- --- ---- 298 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1828 22 -21 1016 57% 1776
In Blitz game, I got this:Running ordo and Mephisto Amsterdam set at 1978:Code: Select all
Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540] Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84 50 of 50 games finished.
Disregarding the impact of TC, this could be a good reference at around elo 2000.Code: Select all
# PLAYER : RATING +/- GAMES PTS(%) CFS(next) 1 CDrill 1800 : 2006.3 50.0 50 54.0 71 2 Mephisto Amsterdam : 1978.0 50.0 50 46.0 --- White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54 Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/l ... _1993.html .
So, it seems CDrill 1800 is about 2000 FIDE, and 2150 USCF.
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Re: laskos
Right CDrill 1800 is close to 2000.Laskos wrote:I would say this is the FIDE rating. The USCF rating of Mephisto Amsterdam is about 2119, according to this siteFerdy wrote:From SSDF based on long TC:Laskos wrote:There was a discussion on this in this threadFerdy wrote:Which engine rating publisher is close to fide elo for engines 2000 elo and below? CCRL? CEGT? SSDF? others? I am trying to develop an engine that has a maximum of approximately 2000 fide elo.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57506
It seems one can take SSDF and add 150 ELO points in this range of ratings.So this could be around Elo 1978 +/- 21Code: Select all
THE SSDF RATING LIST 2016-08-13 %138040 games played by 353 computers Rating + - Games Won Oppo ------ --- --- ----- --- ---- 298 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1828 22 -21 1016 57% 1776
In Blitz game, I got this:Running ordo and Mephisto Amsterdam set at 1978:Code: Select all
Score of CDrill 1800 vs Mephisto Amsterdam: 25 - 21 - 4 [0.540] Elo difference: 27.85 +/- 94.84 50 of 50 games finished.
Disregarding the impact of TC, this could be a good reference at around elo 2000.Code: Select all
# PLAYER : RATING +/- GAMES PTS(%) CFS(next) 1 CDrill 1800 : 2006.3 50.0 50 54.0 71 2 Mephisto Amsterdam : 1978.0 50.0 50 46.0 --- White advantage = -28.28 +/- 50.54 Draw rate (equal opponents) = 8.06 % +/- 3.89
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/l ... _1993.html .
So, it seems CDrill 1800 is about 2000 FIDE, and 2150 USCF.
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Re: laskos
A little tournament I ran at 10'+2", single thread, core i5-2400:
My rating list for some under 2000 ELO engines (same conditions as the above tournament)
CDrill is around 2000 aprox. as you said.
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No. Engine 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Score Games Perc Moves
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1 Hayabusa 0.11.7 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 26.0 / 26 (100.00%) 18.7
2 Warrior 1.03 0.0 xxxxx 2.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 22.0 / 26 (84.62%) 21.9
3 CDrill 1800 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 0.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 20.0 / 26 (76.92%) 20.6
4 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy 0.0 0.5 2.0 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 0.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 19.5 / 26 (75.00%) 23.3
5 Ajetac 2.73b 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 1.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 16.0 / 26 (61.54%) 21.1
6 Jester 0.84 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 xxxxx 1.0 2.0 1.5 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 14.5 / 26 (55.77%) 26.0
7 TSCP 1.81 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 1.0 1.0 xxxxx 0.0 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 14.5 / 26 (55.77%) 21.9
8 Marginal 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 xxxxx 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 13.0 / 26 (50.00%) 33.1
9 Rodent Amateur Attack 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 0.0 xxxxx 0.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 10.5 / 26 (40.38%) 30.1
10 Satana 2.4.19b 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 2.0 xxxxx 0.5 1.5 2.0 2.0 9.5 / 26 (36.54%) 42.3
11 Szint_Daysi 1494 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 xxxxx 1.0 2.0 2.0 8.0 / 26 (30.77%) 26.9
12 Phalanx XXV easy30 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.5 1.0 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 6.5 / 26 (25.00%) 20.4
13 Xadreco 5.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 1.5 1.5 / 26 (5.77%) 26.1
14 SeaHorse 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 xxxxx 0.5 / 26 (1.92%) 14.5
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# Player : Elo Games Score% won
1 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy : 2010.84 202 77.5 145
2 Leonidas r83 : 1962.22 112 55.8 55
3 Sharper 0.17 : 1959.39 112 55.4 51
4 BigLion 2.23x : 1945.27 112 53.1 48
5 Warrior 1.03 : 1915.40 208 67.1 122
6 Morphy 3.22 : 1892.30 225 64.4 125
7 Roce 0.0390 : 1862.55 156 52.6 70
8 Freechess II 2.17b : 1857.15 120 45.8 48
9 Predateur 2.2.1 : 1809.73 152 53.9 71
10 Ajetac 2.73b : 1808.23 124 59.3 63
11 Robin 0.983 : 1740.30 201 57.0 94
12 Kanguruh 1.93 : 1729.15 117 51.3 52
13 Testina 3c : 1707.64 128 53.5 55
14 TSCP 1.81 : 1700.00 188 51.3 78
15 Aldebaran 0.7.0 : 1660.38 181 48.9 60
16 Chenard 2015 : 1659.99 191 48.2 75
17 Jester 0.84 : 1608.62 177 44.4 62
18 Dorpsgek-Ambrosia 3 : 1593.67 191 46.3 72
19 Dchess 1.02 : 1589.35 225 49.8 93
20 IQ23 0.03 : 1576.32 184 53.0 64
21 Polar 1.3 : 1556.70 194 52.6 85
22 Storm 0.6 : 1548.39 175 46.6 64
23 AdaChess 2.1 : 1537.18 164 49.7 68
24 Rainman 0.75 : 1528.37 207 48.1 80
25 Pigeon 1.37 : 1523.58 112 49.6 39
26 Needle 0.531 : 1513.89 184 52.7 77
27 Marginal 0.1 : 1497.10 135 51.1 64
28 Predateur 0.1.5 : 1481.34 220 43.0 79
29 Hokus Pokus 0.63 : 1471.09 164 51.2 63
30 Larsen 0.05 : 1455.44 156 44.9 58
31 Madchess 2.0 1600ELO : 1433.60 198 55.1 90
32 CM Josh Age 8 : 1426.21 170 54.7 78
33 Rodent II Sam : 1424.91 100 49.5 40
34 TarraschToy 0.906 : 1419.64 128 57.8 65
35 Goyaz 0.07 : 1412.59 176 51.7 77
36 Jupiter 0.01 : 1409.41 190 45.3 68
37 Ozwald 0.43 : 1405.89 163 49.7 62
38 Rodent Amateur Attack : 1401.58 172 53.8 83
39 Gedeone 1620 : 1397.61 180 51.7 74
40 Nero 6.1 : 1377.31 161 51.2 65
41 Numpty Recharged : 1362.74 164 50.0 64
42 Eden 0.013 : 1352.70 158 50.6 70
43 Greko 2015 ML 1600 : 1321.19 168 58.0 91
44 Satana 2.4.19b : 1286.60 136 46.0 38
45 Virutor Chess 1.1.2 : 1272.98 171 59.6 96
46 Suff 0.3a : 1272.05 208 46.4 75
47 Marquis 1.6 : 1170.32 146 55.8 71
48 Junior 13.3 1600ELO : 1170.01 163 40.5 50
49 Szint_Daysi 1494 : 1161.38 168 35.1 52
50 Pierre 1.7 : 1133.02 152 58.2 82
51 Phalanx XXV easy30 : 1022.22 142 49.3 65
52 Xadreco 5.7 : 881.30 142 34.2 44
53 Cassandre 0.26 : 877.23 108 29.2 15
54 Giuchess 1.0 : 780.88 137 27.0 27
55 Fimbulwinter 5.05 : 729.15 142 19.4 24
56 Delfi 1000 : 679.67 144 15.3 16
White advantage = 24.62
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 20.11 %
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Good info, thanks.Carlos777 wrote:A little tournament I ran at 10'+2", single thread, core i5-2400:
My rating list for some under 2000 ELO engines (same conditions as the above tournament)Code: Select all
No. Engine 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Score Games Perc Moves -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Hayabusa 0.11.7 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 26.0 / 26 (100.00%) 18.7 2 Warrior 1.03 0.0 xxxxx 2.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 22.0 / 26 (84.62%) 21.9 3 CDrill 1800 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 0.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 20.0 / 26 (76.92%) 20.6 4 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy 0.0 0.5 2.0 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 0.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 19.5 / 26 (75.00%) 23.3 5 Ajetac 2.73b 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 1.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 16.0 / 26 (61.54%) 21.1 6 Jester 0.84 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 xxxxx 1.0 2.0 1.5 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 14.5 / 26 (55.77%) 26.0 7 TSCP 1.81 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 1.0 1.0 xxxxx 0.0 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 14.5 / 26 (55.77%) 21.9 8 Marginal 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 xxxxx 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 13.0 / 26 (50.00%) 33.1 9 Rodent Amateur Attack 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 0.0 xxxxx 0.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 2.0 10.5 / 26 (40.38%) 30.1 10 Satana 2.4.19b 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 2.0 xxxxx 0.5 1.5 2.0 2.0 9.5 / 26 (36.54%) 42.3 11 Szint_Daysi 1494 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 xxxxx 1.0 2.0 2.0 8.0 / 26 (30.77%) 26.9 12 Phalanx XXV easy30 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.5 1.0 xxxxx 2.0 2.0 6.5 / 26 (25.00%) 20.4 13 Xadreco 5.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 xxxxx 1.5 1.5 / 26 (5.77%) 26.1 14 SeaHorse 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 xxxxx 0.5 / 26 (1.92%) 14.5
CDrill is around 2000 aprox. as you said.Code: Select all
# Player : Elo Games Score% won 1 Prodeo 2.0 Crazy : 2010.84 202 77.5 145 2 Leonidas r83 : 1962.22 112 55.8 55 3 Sharper 0.17 : 1959.39 112 55.4 51 4 BigLion 2.23x : 1945.27 112 53.1 48 5 Warrior 1.03 : 1915.40 208 67.1 122 6 Morphy 3.22 : 1892.30 225 64.4 125 7 Roce 0.0390 : 1862.55 156 52.6 70 8 Freechess II 2.17b : 1857.15 120 45.8 48 9 Predateur 2.2.1 : 1809.73 152 53.9 71 10 Ajetac 2.73b : 1808.23 124 59.3 63 11 Robin 0.983 : 1740.30 201 57.0 94 12 Kanguruh 1.93 : 1729.15 117 51.3 52 13 Testina 3c : 1707.64 128 53.5 55 14 TSCP 1.81 : 1700.00 188 51.3 78 15 Aldebaran 0.7.0 : 1660.38 181 48.9 60 16 Chenard 2015 : 1659.99 191 48.2 75 17 Jester 0.84 : 1608.62 177 44.4 62 18 Dorpsgek-Ambrosia 3 : 1593.67 191 46.3 72 19 Dchess 1.02 : 1589.35 225 49.8 93 20 IQ23 0.03 : 1576.32 184 53.0 64 21 Polar 1.3 : 1556.70 194 52.6 85 22 Storm 0.6 : 1548.39 175 46.6 64 23 AdaChess 2.1 : 1537.18 164 49.7 68 24 Rainman 0.75 : 1528.37 207 48.1 80 25 Pigeon 1.37 : 1523.58 112 49.6 39 26 Needle 0.531 : 1513.89 184 52.7 77 27 Marginal 0.1 : 1497.10 135 51.1 64 28 Predateur 0.1.5 : 1481.34 220 43.0 79 29 Hokus Pokus 0.63 : 1471.09 164 51.2 63 30 Larsen 0.05 : 1455.44 156 44.9 58 31 Madchess 2.0 1600ELO : 1433.60 198 55.1 90 32 CM Josh Age 8 : 1426.21 170 54.7 78 33 Rodent II Sam : 1424.91 100 49.5 40 34 TarraschToy 0.906 : 1419.64 128 57.8 65 35 Goyaz 0.07 : 1412.59 176 51.7 77 36 Jupiter 0.01 : 1409.41 190 45.3 68 37 Ozwald 0.43 : 1405.89 163 49.7 62 38 Rodent Amateur Attack : 1401.58 172 53.8 83 39 Gedeone 1620 : 1397.61 180 51.7 74 40 Nero 6.1 : 1377.31 161 51.2 65 41 Numpty Recharged : 1362.74 164 50.0 64 42 Eden 0.013 : 1352.70 158 50.6 70 43 Greko 2015 ML 1600 : 1321.19 168 58.0 91 44 Satana 2.4.19b : 1286.60 136 46.0 38 45 Virutor Chess 1.1.2 : 1272.98 171 59.6 96 46 Suff 0.3a : 1272.05 208 46.4 75 47 Marquis 1.6 : 1170.32 146 55.8 71 48 Junior 13.3 1600ELO : 1170.01 163 40.5 50 49 Szint_Daysi 1494 : 1161.38 168 35.1 52 50 Pierre 1.7 : 1133.02 152 58.2 82 51 Phalanx XXV easy30 : 1022.22 142 49.3 65 52 Xadreco 5.7 : 881.30 142 34.2 44 53 Cassandre 0.26 : 877.23 108 29.2 15 54 Giuchess 1.0 : 780.88 137 27.0 27 55 Fimbulwinter 5.05 : 729.15 142 19.4 24 56 Delfi 1000 : 679.67 144 15.3 16 White advantage = 24.62 Draw rate (equal opponents) = 20.11 %
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Re: laskos
Hi Ferdinand,
Could you play a few games against DanaSah with limit of strength?
I think you already have danaz04.zip (https://sites.google.com/site/danasah/s ... -danasah-z)
You should configure the danasah.txt file and put:
elo 2000
elo_type human
The engine should play as 2000 FIDE Elo points.
I used as reference the (Elo Aktiv + 70) as Elo FIDE.
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... -Elo-Liste
Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1932 = 2002 ELO FIDE.
This is the opinion that fans have to play against these machines of the years 80-90.
I'm not sure of the result.
Could you play a few games against DanaSah with limit of strength?
I think you already have danaz04.zip (https://sites.google.com/site/danasah/s ... -danasah-z)
You should configure the danasah.txt file and put:
elo 2000
elo_type human
The engine should play as 2000 FIDE Elo points.
I used as reference the (Elo Aktiv + 70) as Elo FIDE.
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... -Elo-Liste
Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1932 = 2002 ELO FIDE.
This is the opinion that fans have to play against these machines of the years 80-90.
I'm not sure of the result.
Last edited by pedrox on Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: laskos
I will try that, I re-read the posts we had when I was searching 1200 elo engines .pedrox wrote:Hi Ferdinand,
Could you play a few games against DanaSah with limit of strength?
I think you already have danaz04.zip (https://sites.google.com/site/danasah/s ... -danasah-z)
You should configure the danasah.txt file and put:
elo 2000
elo_type human
The engine should play as 2000 FIDE Elo points.
I used as reference the (Elo Aktiv + 70) as Elo FIDE. This is the opinion that fans have to play against these machines of the years 80-90.
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... -Elo-Liste
I'm not sure who will win.