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Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by Jeroen » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:02 am

Dear chess friends,

Here is a brand new update of my latest, free book, Noomen.ctg:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/zohjq ... Noomen.rar

With many corrections, additions, improvements, novelties and a few extra lines.

Please make sure always to use the following options (see Book Options):

1. Tournament Book should be switched ON
2. Minimum games should be set to 3
3. Up to move should be set to 100

Not using these settings might result in a lot of weak(er) moves being played.

As usual, a big "thank you" to all the people who helped me to produce this new version. Enjoy!

PS The book will also be available from Rybkachess.com and Ed's website. As soon as I have the links, I will post them here.

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by Eelco de Groot » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:32 pm

Thanks a lot Jeroen!

I only have a Chessbase HIARCS 12 installation on my old computer at the moment, so I could compare it with good old HIARS 12.ctg. It is an awful lot bigger than that! HIARCS 12.ctg is 65.384 kB, your new Noomen.ctg is 1.019.676 kB no less. I don't have the previous Noomen.ctg on this machine. Here is a sample opening battle, just for fun, against HIARCS 12. Chessbase stops after the first engine leaves book, if I understand correctly, after setting max moves to 1. It says "Beide engines laatste zet uit boek", "Both engines last bookmove" but that can't be correct, it says the same after every 'opening battle'. Noomen was still in book after HIARCS' dxc3

[pgn][Event "Houdini Freestyle 01, Blitz:4'"]
[Site ""]
[Date "2016.08.20"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Rainbow Serpent 2.0.1s(dc)"]
[Black "Hiarcs 12"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "B66"]
[PlyCount "38"]
[TimeControl "240"]

{32MB, White has Noomen.ctg, Black has HIARCS 12.ctg (with a few lines modified)} 1. e4 {B/0 0} c5 {B/0 0} 2. Nf3 {B/0 0} Nc6
{B/0 0} 3. Nc3 {B/0 0} d6 {B/0 0} 4. d4 {B/0 0} cxd4 {B/0 0} 5. Nxd4 {B/0 0}
Nf6 {B/0 0} 6. Bg5 {B/0 0} e6 {B/0 0} 7. Qd2 {B/0 0} a6 {B/0 0} 8. O-O-O {B/0 0
} h6 {B/0 0} 9. Nxc6 {B/0 0} bxc6 {B/0 0} 10. Bf4 {B/0 0} d5 {B/0 0} 11. Qe3 {
B/0 0} Be7 {B/0 0} 12. Be2 {B/0 0} O-O {B/0 0} 13. h4 {B/0 0} Re8 {B/0 0} 14.
g4 {B/0 0} Nd7 {B/0 0} 15. Qg3 {B/0 0} e5 {B/0 0} 16. Bd2 {B/0 0} Nc5 {B/0 0}
17. g5 {B/0 0} d4 {B/0 0} 18. gxh6 {B/0 0} Bf6 {B/0 0} 19. hxg7 {Beide laatste
zet uit boek B/0 0} dxc3 {0.84/12 51} *[/pgn]

[D]r1bqr1k1/5pP1/p1p2b2/2n1p3/3pP2P/2N3Q1/PPPBBP2/2KR3R b - - 0

19
10: Rainbow Serpent 2.0.1s(dc) - Hiarcs 12, Houdini Freestyle 01, Blitz:4'
r1bqr1k1/5pP1/p1p2b2/2n1p3/3pP2P/2N3Q1/PPPBBP2/2KR3R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 12, depth 16/52 :lol::

1. +- (1.70): 19...dxc3 20.Lxc3 De7 21.Thg1 Pe6 22.Lxe5 Lb7 23.Lxf6 Dxf6 24.Kb1 Pxg7 25.f3 c5
2. +- (1.80): 19...De7 20.Thg1 De6 21.Df3 dxc3 22.Lxc3
3. +- (1.80): 19...Tb8 20.Df3 Db6 21.b3 dxc3 22.Dxf6
4. +- (1.84): 19...Ld7 20.Lc4 dxc3 21.Lxc3 De7 22.Thg1 Le6 23.De3 Lxg7 24.Lxe5 f6
5. +- (2.15): 19...Dc7 20.Df3 dxc3 21.Lxc3 Lxg7 22.Thg1 Pe6 23.Df6 De7 24.Dxe5 f6 25.Df5 Kf8

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by peter » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Thanks a lot, Jeroen :!:
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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by shrapnel » Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:50 am

Sorry, but Noomen is weaker than latest Cerebellum.
I tested it
I ran Brainfish/Cerebellum on 1 computer against Asmfish/Noomen.ctg on my 2nd computer, in a French Defence.
When the Engines came out of Book, Brainfish/Cerebellum had a big +0.60 lead over the Noomen Book.
Such a big lead is disastrous in online engine-engine matches.
Cerebellum wins, no contest.
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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by menniepals » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:49 am

Thanks a lot

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by Harvey Williamson » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:54 am

shrapnel wrote:Sorry, but Noomen is weaker than latest Cerebellum.
I tested it
I ran Brainfish/Cerebellum on 1 computer against Asmfish/Noomen.ctg on my 2nd computer, in a French Defence.
When the Engines came out of Book, Brainfish/Cerebellum had a big +0.60 lead over the Noomen Book.
Such a big lead is disastrous in online engine-engine matches.
Cerebellum wins, no contest.
The book does not play the French unless you force it to.

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by shrapnel » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:55 am

I did, because I like the French defense, and if this book is so good, it should be able to handle it.
On the other hand, Cerebellum has handled whatever I threw at it.
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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by Harvey Williamson » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:59 am

shrapnel wrote:I did, because I like the French defense, and if this book is so good, it should be able to handle it.
How about letting us see the game and then play one, with reverse colours, where you play 1...e6 and publish that here as well.

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by Ferdy » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:04 am

I test it against cerebellum book at TC 3'+2" for 50 games, ponder off, 1 thread.

Stockfish 190816 64 POPCNT, using noomen book
Brainfish 190816 64 POPCNT, using cerebellum release 12

Note that the Brainfish.exe file is a bit faster than the equivalent version from the one in abrok.

The following data below will show at what move (fmvn) did the engines started thinking.

Example and interpretation for the first 4 games.

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color white, round 1, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color white, round 2, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c3e4, result 0-1, lastfmvn 78 (black)
color black, round 2, player Stockfish, fmvn 29, move f5d3, result 0-1, lastfmvn 78 (black)
color white, round 3, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color white, round 4, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move c4e6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 25 (black)
color black, round 4, player Stockfish, fmvn 18, move e7d6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 25 (black)
In round 1 or first game, Sf is white and it started thinking at move 32. This game ended at move 43 (lastfmvn) with result 1/2-1/2.
In this game there is no data for Bf (Brainfish) because it is still in the book, and does not think at all till the draw result.

Round 2 or game 2, both engines have data. Bf as white started thinking at move 19 while Sf started thinking at move 29. Bf here loses.

Round 3 seemed like similar to round 1.

Round 4, Bf started thinking at move 16 while Sf at move 18, result was a draw after 25 moves.

Here is the complete Data:

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color white, round 1, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color white, round 2, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c3e4, result 0-1, lastfmvn 78 (black)
color black, round 2, player Stockfish, fmvn 29, move f5d3, result 0-1, lastfmvn 78 (black)
color white, round 3, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color white, round 4, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move c4e6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 25 (black)
color black, round 4, player Stockfish, fmvn 18, move e7d6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 25 (black)
color white, round 5, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 6, player Stockfish, fmvn 17, move d6e5, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 58 (black)
color white, round 6, player Brainfish, fmvn 34, move c4f7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 58 (black)
color white, round 7, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color black, round 8, player Stockfish, fmvn 10, move e5d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 109 (white)
color white, round 8, player Brainfish, fmvn 15, move c1d2, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 109 (white)
color white, round 9, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 10, player Stockfish, fmvn 11, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 64 (white)
color white, round 10, player Brainfish, fmvn 14, move f3d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 64 (white)
color white, round 11, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 12, player Stockfish, fmvn 11, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 39 (white)
color white, round 12, player Brainfish, fmvn 14, move f3d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 39 (white)
color white, round 13, player Stockfish, fmvn 24, move b3b1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color black, round 13, player Brainfish, fmvn 24, move a8a6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color black, round 14, player Stockfish, fmvn 10, move c8e6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 36 (white)
color white, round 14, player Brainfish, fmvn 17, move c3c4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 36 (white)
color white, round 15, player Stockfish, fmvn 28, move g2g3, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 97 (white)
color black, round 15, player Brainfish, fmvn 30, move e5f6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 97 (white)
color black, round 16, player Stockfish, fmvn 16, move a8d8, result 1-0, lastfmvn 74 (white)
color white, round 16, player Brainfish, fmvn 31, move d1c1, result 1-0, lastfmvn 74 (white)
color white, round 17, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 18, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 130 (black)
color white, round 18, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 130 (black)
color white, round 19, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 20, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 50 (black)
color white, round 20, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 50 (black)
color white, round 21, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 22, player Stockfish, fmvn 11, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 76 (white)
color white, round 22, player Brainfish, fmvn 14, move f3d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 76 (white)
color white, round 23, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move f1d2, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 35 (black)
color black, round 24, player Stockfish, fmvn 14, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 50 (black)
color white, round 24, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move b3c5, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 50 (black)
color white, round 25, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color black, round 26, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 58 (black)
color white, round 26, player Brainfish, fmvn 11, move d2f1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 58 (black)
color white, round 27, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color white, round 28, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move c4e6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 26 (white)
color black, round 28, player Stockfish, fmvn 18, move e7d6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 26 (white)
color white, round 29, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (white)
color black, round 30, player Stockfish, fmvn 11, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (black)
color white, round 30, player Brainfish, fmvn 14, move f3d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (black)
color black, round 31, player Brainfish, fmvn 8, move c6a5, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 67 (white)
color white, round 31, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move b2b4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 67 (white)
color black, round 32, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 37 (black)
color white, round 32, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 37 (black)
color white, round 33, player Stockfish, fmvn 24, move b3b1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (black)
color black, round 33, player Brainfish, fmvn 24, move a8a6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 43 (black)
color black, round 34, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 36 (black)
color white, round 34, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 36 (black)
color white, round 35, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 36, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 36, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 37, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (white)
color black, round 37, player Brainfish, fmvn 33, move b4c3, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (white)
color black, round 38, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 38, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 39, player Stockfish, fmvn 32, move e3c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (white)
color black, round 39, player Brainfish, fmvn 33, move b4c3, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 45 (white)
color white, round 40, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c3e4, result 0-1, lastfmvn 57 (black)
color black, round 40, player Stockfish, fmvn 24, move f3g2, result 0-1, lastfmvn 57 (black)
color white, round 41, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 42, player Stockfish, fmvn 14, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 47 (black)
color white, round 42, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move b3c5, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 47 (black)
color white, round 43, player Stockfish, fmvn 24, move b3b1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 33 (black)
color black, round 43, player Brainfish, fmvn 24, move a8a6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 33 (black)
color white, round 44, player Brainfish, fmvn 13, move a2a3, result 1-0, lastfmvn 68 (white)
color black, round 44, player Stockfish, fmvn 15, move e6e5, result 1-0, lastfmvn 68 (white)
color white, round 45, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move h6h8, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 32 (black)
color black, round 46, player Stockfish, fmvn 9, move c8d7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 46, player Brainfish, fmvn 19, move c2c1, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 41 (black)
color white, round 47, player Stockfish, fmvn 18, move c1b2, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 61 (white)
color black, round 47, player Brainfish, fmvn 18, move f6c6, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 61 (white)
color black, round 48, player Stockfish, fmvn 14, move d8c7, result 1-0, lastfmvn 72 (white)
color white, round 48, player Brainfish, fmvn 16, move b3c5, result 1-0, lastfmvn 72 (white)
color white, round 49, player Stockfish, fmvn 31, move f1d2, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 35 (black)
color black, round 50, player Stockfish, fmvn 11, move d8c7, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 78 (white)
color white, round 50, player Brainfish, fmvn 14, move f3d4, result 1/2-1/2, lastfmvn 78 (white)
Game result summary.

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Head to head statistics:

1) Brainfish 190816 64 POPCNT 7.0 :     50 (+3,=45,-2),  51.0 %

   vs.                               :  games ( +,  =, -),   (%) :    Diff,    SD, CFS (%)
   Stockfish 190816 64 POPCNT        :     50 ( 3, 45, 2),  51.0 :    +7.0,  13.9,   69.3

2) Stockfish 190816 64 POPCNT 0.0 :     50 (+2,=45,-3),  49.0 %

   vs.                               :  games ( +,  =, -),   (%) :    Diff,    SD, CFS (%)
   Brainfish 190816 64 POPCNT        :     50 ( 2, 45, 3),  49.0 :    -7.0,  13.9,   30.7
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/79qrp ... -games.pgn

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Re: Noomen.ctg: UPDATE

Post by shrapnel » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:33 am

Harvey Williamson wrote:How about letting us see the game and then play one, with reverse colours, where you play 1...e6 and publish that here as well.
I don't need to prove anything to you. My Results are good enough for me.
You can check for yourself, if so inclined.
I did the reverse also, and Noomen/AsmFish was the first to come out of Book with only + 0.20 advantage, which is perfectly manageable ; and the mighty Brainfish/Cerebellum was STILL in Book !
Good enough for me; Cerebellum ROCKS !
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