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ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by mjlef » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:42 pm

The 21th World Computer-Chess Championship will take place from June 29 – July 5, 2015 in Leiden, the Netherlands. The World Software Championship (WCSC), World Computer Chess Blitz Championship and 18th Computer Olympiad are included in the events.

You can find additional information here: icga.org.

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by PaulieD » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:29 am

If Stockfish 6 will not be present the "Championships" will be meaningless.

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Post by lucasart » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:14 am

Rather the other way around. SF will not participate in this tournament, because it's a big farce. Everything about this ICGA tournament is wrong:
* one game elimination = statistically meaningless results
* we would have to fly to Leiden with our hardware + hotel for a week, at our own expense. all that for what? to prove that SF can beat the shit out of all these patzer like Pandix, Crafty, Nightmare, Hiarcs, Junior etc.
* different hardware and different book, makes comparisons meaningless.

SF team should never lower themselves to participate in any ICGA event, IMO. ICGA is a dying dinosaur. Live and let die.

The only world championship is TCEC, and that's what we look forward to.
Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time.

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by bob » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:19 am

lucasart wrote:Rather the other way around. SF will not participate in this tournament, because it's a big farce. Everything about this ICGA tournament is wrong:
* one game elimination = statistically meaningless results
* we would have to fly to Leiden with our hardware + hotel for a week, at our own expense. all that for what? to prove that SF can beat the shit out of all these patzer like Pandix, Crafty, Nightmare, Hiarcs, Junior etc.
* different hardware and different book, makes comparisons meaningless.

SF team should never lower themselves to participate in any ICGA event, IMO. ICGA is a dying dinosaur. Live and let die.

The only world championship is TCEC, and that's what we look forward to.
What was the last event YOU went to? Do you know what an attended tournament is like?

Your comments are pure rubbish.

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by APassionForCriminalJustic » Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:49 am

bob wrote:
lucasart wrote:Rather the other way around. SF will not participate in this tournament, because it's a big farce. Everything about this ICGA tournament is wrong:
* one game elimination = statistically meaningless results
* we would have to fly to Leiden with our hardware + hotel for a week, at our own expense. all that for what? to prove that SF can beat the shit out of all these patzer like Pandix, Crafty, Nightmare, Hiarcs, Junior etc.
* different hardware and different book, makes comparisons meaningless.

SF team should never lower themselves to participate in any ICGA event, IMO. ICGA is a dying dinosaur. Live and let die.

The only world championship is TCEC, and that's what we look forward to.
What was the last event YOU went to? Do you know what an attended tournament is like?

Your comments are pure rubbish.
I do not see why his comments are rubbish. He didn't exactly say things necessarily in a friendly manner - but you guys should consider changing the title of this "2015 World Computer Chess Championship" because it clearly is not. It is a tournament where authors get together and discuss things; is that not a major focal point of this tournament? Why on earth do you guys seriously have a title like this when your tournament will not actually show who the REAL engine champion is? I mean look at the engine participants. They are far from top-tier status to say the least. I am willing to bet that Rybka 4.1 would win that tournament unless Komodo participates.

Seriously, the authors of both HIARCS and Deep Junior should stop proclaiming their engines as champions (they are both amateurs compared to the best); they are lying right through their thick teeth.

In with the new, out with the old.

TCEC RULES! ****** Long live the real World Computer Chess Championship ******

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by Ferdy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:31 am

PaulieD wrote:If Stockfish 6 will not be present the "Championships" will be meaningless.
That championships is for the participants it certainly has meaning to them, it has nothing to do with the non-participants.

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by Ferdy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:49 am

lucasart wrote:Rather the other way around. SF will not participate in this tournament, because it's a big farce. Everything about this ICGA tournament is wrong:
* one game elimination = statistically meaningless results
* we would have to fly to Leiden with our hardware + hotel for a week, at our own expense. all that for what? to prove that SF can beat the shit out of all these patzer like Pandix, Crafty, Nightmare, Hiarcs, Junior etc.
* different hardware and different book, makes comparisons meaningless.

SF team should never lower themselves to participate in any ICGA event, IMO. ICGA is a dying dinosaur. Live and let die.

The only world championship is TCEC, and that's what we look forward to.
ICGA helps advance computer chess programming, it must have been interesting when programmers create such organization long ago. SF is not what today if not for this organization. It is more important when there is ICGA and without SF than there is SF but without ICGA.

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Post by lucasart » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:04 am

Ferdy wrote:ICGA helps advance computer chess programming
Really? How? ICGA participants are mostly closed source, or even private engine. How exactly does this tournament help advance computer chess programming?
Ferdy wrote:SF is not what today if not for this organization.
You got it all wrong. SF would not be what it is today without Glaurung. Since Glaurung never participated to ICGA tournament, I don't see how ICGA could have helped Glaurung in any way.

The computer chess revolution was open source: Crafty, Fruit, Glaurung, Stockfish. Nothing else.
Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time.

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by Ferdy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:20 am

lucasart wrote:
Ferdy wrote:ICGA helps advance computer chess programming
Really? How? ICGA participants are mostly closed source, or even private engine. How exactly does this tournament help advance computer chess programming?
Ferdy wrote:SF is not what today if not for this organization.
You got it all wrong. SF would not be what it is today without Glaurung. Since Glaurung never participated to ICGA tournament, I don't see how ICGA could have helped Glaurung in any way.

The computer chess revolution was open source: Crafty, Fruit, Glaurung, Stockfish. Nothing else.
Read below so you may know your elders and the organization that are responsible for our hobby.

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/ICGA

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Re: ICGA's 2015 World Computer Chess Championship/Events

Post by Michel » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:35 am

Crafty, Fruit, Glaurung, Stockfish. Nothing else.
Sorry you forgot Ippolit.
Ideas=science. Simplification=engineering.
Without ideas there is nothing to simplify.

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