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   # Engine                            :    Elo  Error   Games    Points    (%)      W      D      L     D(%)   CFS
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   1 Stockfish NNUE SV20200725-1313    :   3494      9    2500    1475.0   59.00    520   1910     70   76.40    99
   2 Lc0 0.25.1 LS 15                  :   3480      9    3500    2626.5   75.04   1878   1497    125   42.77    96
   3 Lc0 0.24.1 LS 14.3                :   3470      8    3500    2590.5   74.01   1817   1547    136   44.20    54
   4 Lc0 0.24.1 LS 14.2                :   3469      9    3250    2472.5   76.08   1799   1347    104   41.45    88
   5 Lc0 0.24.0 LS 14                  :   3461      9    3500    2677.0   76.49   1964   1426    110   40.74    92
   6 Lc0k 0.23.2 256x20-T40-1541       :   3453      7    5250    3773.5   71.88   2560   2427    263   46.23    82
   7 Lc0 0.24.1 LS 13                  :   3448      9    3000    2187.5   72.92   1508   1359    133   45.30    65
   8 Stockfish NNUE GK200627           :   3445      8    2500    1305.5   52.22    321   1969    210   78.76    59
   9 Lc0 0.26.1 384x30-T60-4585        :   3444     10    2500    1860.0   74.40   1303   1114     83   44.56    65
  10 Stockfish 200502 C0               :   3441      8    2500    1301.5   52.06    383   1837    280   73.48    97
  11 Lc0 0.24.1 384x30-T60-3010        :   3431      7    4500    3166.5   70.37   2076   2181    243   48.47    59
  12 Fat Fritz 1.1                     :   3430      8    4000    2921.0   73.03   2066   1710    224   42.75    53
  13 Lc0 0.25.1 63681                  :   3429      8    3500    2446.0   69.89   1598   1696    206   48.46    59
  14 Lc0 0.25.1 3972_20k_TCEC          :   3428      9    2750    1964.0   71.42   1305   1318    127   47.93    58
  15 Stockfish 11 C0                   :   3427      5    6000    3038.0   50.63    780   4516    704   75.27    58
  16 Lc0 0.22.0 42850                  :   3426      7    4500    3173.5   70.52   2142   2063    295   45.84    51
  17 Lc0 0.22.0 T40B.4-160             :   3426      7    4500    3173.0   70.51   2131   2084    285   46.31    80
  18 Stockfish 11                      :   3422      6    4000    2157.5   53.94    777   2761    462   69.03    74
  19 Lc0 0.25.1 63305                  :   3418      8    3500    2411.0   68.89   1516   1790    194   51.14    68
  20 Lc0 0.25.1 63305 (Kayra4)         :   3415      9    3250    2285.5   70.32   1477   1617    156   49.75    82
  21 Lc0k 0.23.2 62172                 :   3410      8    3500    2409.5   68.84   1524   1771    205   50.60    77
  22 Lc0 LS-LS 12.2                    :   3405      8    3750    2680.5   71.48   1809   1743    198   46.48    59
  23 Lc0 0.22.0 J13B.2-188             :   3404      7    4500    3068.0   68.18   1955   2226    319   49.47    52
  24 Lc0 0.25.1 703042                 :   3404      8    3500    2349.5   67.13   1511   1677    312   47.91    80
  25 Lc0 LS-LS 12.1                    :   3399      9    3000    2056.0   68.53   1299   1514    187   50.47    54
  26 Lc0k 0.23.2 384x30-T40-2036       :   3398      7    4250    2905.0   68.35   1923   1964    363   46.21    99
  27 Fat Fritz 1.0                     :   3386      8    3000    2012.0   67.07   1311   1402    287   46.73    86
  28 Lc0 0.22.0 32930                  :   3380      7    4500    2942.0   65.38   1821   2242    437   49.82    65
  29 Lc0 0.22.0 LS 12 preview          :   3377      9    2750    1876.0   68.22   1258   1236    256   44.95    58
  30 Stockfish 10                      :   3376      8    2750    1337.5   48.64    428   1819    503   66.15    71
  31 Lc0 0.23.2 61950                  :   3373      8    3750    2482.0   66.19   1550   1864    336   49.71    74
  32 Lc0 0.23.2 58613+                 :   3369      8    3500    2268.5   64.81   1426   1685    389   48.14    62
  33 Lc0 0.22.0 384x30-T40-1573        :   3368      9    2750    1846.0   67.13   1220   1252    278   45.53    98
  34 Lc0 0.25.1 3972_20k_TCEC+         :   3355      9    2500    1646.5   65.86    944   1405    151   56.20    97
  35 Komodo 14                         :   3345      7    4250    1649.0   38.80    319   2660   1271   62.59    86
  36 Lc0 0.22.0 11260                  :   3339      8    2750    1755.5   63.84   1044   1423    283   51.75    99
  37 Houdini 6.03                      :   3327      5    7500    2919.5   38.93    692   4455   2353   59.40    74
  38 Komodo 13.3                       :   3324      7    3750    1379.0   36.77    294   2170   1286   57.87   100
  39 Komodo 13.2.5                     :   3311      6    4500    1749.5   38.88    503   2493   1504   55.40   100
  40 Scorpio 3.07 NN-ens-net-20x256    :   3281      8    2500    1466.5   58.66    855   1223    422   48.92   100
  41 Ethereal 12.25                    :   3255      9    2750     759.0   27.60    118   1282   1350   46.62   100
  42 Ethereal 12.00                    :   3223      7    5250    1300.0   24.76    213   2174   2863   41.41    98
  43 Xiphos 0.6                        :   3213      6    7500    1906.5   25.42    277   3259   3964   43.45    83
  44 Ethereal 11.75                    :   3209      7    4500    1196.0   26.58    210   1972   2318   43.82    60
  45 SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.2       :   3207     10    2750     622.0   22.62     81   1082   1587   39.35    88
  46 Fire 7.1                          :   3200      6    7500    1803.5   24.05    332   2943   4225   39.24   100
  47 RofChade 2.3                      :   3165      8    5000     954.0   19.08    115   1678   3207   33.56   100
  48 Booot 6.4                         :   3141      8    5500     944.5   17.17    107   1675   3718   30.45    80
  49 Laser 1.7                         :   3136      6    7500    1364.0   18.19    200   2328   4972   31.04    99
  50 Andscacs 0.95                     :   3125      7    7250    1262.0   17.41    205   2114   4931   29.16   100
  51 Deep Shredder 13                  :   3103      9    5000     818.0   16.36    114   1408   3478   28.16    83
  52 Booot 6.3.1                       :   3097      9    4750     767.0   16.15    118   1298   3334   27.33   ---

White advantage = 58.84 +/- 0.79
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 67.88 % +/- 0.22

Games        : 105.500 (finished)

White Wins   :  34.568 (32.8 %)
Black Wins   :  21.129 (20.0 %)
Draws        :  49.803 (47.2 %)

White Score  : 56.4 %
Black Score  : 43.6 %

Games: http://www.fastgm.de/schach/16cores.7z

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[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Andreas,

so we can await for Stockfish 12 around +75 Elo or more.
That's amazing!

In the past a long time Shredder 12 is on number 1, around 100 Elo better as the number 2.
If Stockfish 12 will be available, the difference to the number 2 is around 150 Elo.

Best
Frank

[Jouni]

There is +14 to the second best in the list! No 100 or 150 .

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Jouni,

LCO is for me not a chess program.
It's nothing ...

On 2 is Komodo.
My Personal opinion!

Best
Frank

[mehmet123]

Hi Jouni,

LCO is for me not a chess program.
It's nothing ...

On 2 is Komodo.
My Personal opinion!

Hello Frank,
Why did you have such a strange idea? Lc0 is an innovative chess engine.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hm,

who is the programmer?

Best
Frank

[pohl4711]

Hi Jouni,

LCO is for me not a chess program.
It's nothing ...

On 2 is Komodo.
My Personal opinion!

Hello Frank,
Why did you have such a strange idea? Lc0 is an innovative chess engine.

Of course it is. Would anybody say "Carlsen or Kasparov or Fischer "are nothing" and not innovative, because they had "no programmer"??? Of course not, that would be obviously total nonsense. The opposite is true: Because Lc0 has no programmer and has a bionic, inspired by human-brain, way of thinking (and learning), it is extremly innovative. That fact makes Lc0 innovative.
And, would Carlsen and other world-class players use Lc0 for their work, if Lc0 is "nothing" and not innovative??? Of course not. They use Lc0, because of it's innovative level of playing (and understanding) chess, that no human-designed and programmed engine will ever be able to reach.
And, what we see now, is, that even the strongest human-designed engine ever (Stockfish) plays around 100 Elo better using a (very simple) neural-net instead of a extremly high-developed (by humans) eval-function. The learning of these nets (thanks S.Vieri!) took some days, only. And it destroys the old Stockfish. What could be more innovative than that?

[Modern Times]

Hm,

who is the programmer?

Best
Frank

Who is the Stockfish programmer then ?

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi,

programmer of Stockfish is Tord Romstad (sucesscor of Glaurung).
With Marco and Joona and many other helpers.

I nice project!
https://www.schach-welt.de/schach/compu ... stalba-eng

LCO is no name, nothing, lesser as nothing!
It's a part of KI, a nice KI experiment, not more not less.

KI can't be innovative.
A human can be innovative!
That's completly nonsens!

Waste of time to test it.
So I think, every 800 Elo strong chess computer from the beginning of that area is exactly 100% more interesting as to test nothing?!

Sorry, I am a human and not a slave from a computer!
The computers are the slaves from the humans, this is a different!

Best
Frank

Maybe KI will help us in chess programming, that would be great but I can't see any good chess project for it.
Sure it will be come!

[Frank Quisinsky]

Stefan,

your first move is:
1. f3

The chess program will give you the answere:
1. ... g5 with mate in 41 moves.

...

What we can do with KI in such a case?
Nothing, because KI is nothing!

Magnus Carlsen is a good example for me!

Magnus Carlsen is the strongest chess player in the World and here we can say ... Magnus Carlsen is innovative!
I think _genial innovative_ is better!

KI is a merely functional instrument on the way to the goal.

That's a big different!
KI can't be innovative for a logical game.
Sorry, but his is totaly nonsense!

What the human can do with KI is innovative!
What we do in computer chess with KI is for the moment stupid.
First experiments, not more no less.

But it can be interesting!!

Example:
Give a KI program 1.000 Carlsen games.
The result should be a chess program cloned the style of Carlsen. For such things KI is really interesting!
Sure for Carlsen much more interesting also, if the _Carlsen KI-Clone_ in combination with Carlsen itself plays games vs. chess programs. Carlsen can better learn from his own mistakes.

If we are able to used KI with more mind / brain, we can be happy about the "Hour of birth" for KI in computer chess.
Sorry, at the moment I see nothing interesting things around KI in computer chess.

Again, NOTHING!

Best
Frank