Here : http://www.amateurschach.de/klaus/fcp-t ... ts-rd1.htmFrank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:35 pm Hi,
not sure which of the tables you have the problems!
FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k
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Hi Alayan,
ah, I understand.
I wrote a mail to Klaus ...
Maybe Klaus can try to make this table better.
But in this case you should try out the Exel file from Klaus.
Here you can find a lot more information as you can see on my web site.
You need Excel 2010 or higher!
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Frank
ah, I understand.
I wrote a mail to Klaus ...
Maybe Klaus can try to make this table better.
But in this case you should try out the Exel file from Klaus.
Here you can find a lot more information as you can see on my web site.
You need Excel 2010 or higher!
Best
Frank
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k
Hi Alayan,
i have looked at the html files with different browsers. In my case all crosstabs look good, I do not recognize any text flows within neighboring cells.
The spaces between the results "+ = -" improve the readability of the data.
I don't know how I can help at the moment.
Best
Klaus
i have looked at the html files with different browsers. In my case all crosstabs look good, I do not recognize any text flows within neighboring cells.
The spaces between the results "+ = -" improve the readability of the data.
I don't know how I can help at the moment.
Best
Klaus
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k
For a higher resolution:
https://www.amateurschach.de/t2020/comm ... -klaus.jpg
OK, is a very big table, I go to the end of the table and made a screen with Google Chrome.
With Edge and Firefox (current versions) I can't see a problem.
That's really bad because we like it to give helps but Klaus and I have no idea what we can do here!
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Frank
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I get this with Firefox 76 :
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Hi there,
now the results from round 24 out of 50 are available.
Best
Frank
now the results from round 24 out of 50 are available.
Best
Frank
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Hi there,
now the results from round 25 of 50 are available.
Each of 41 engines played 1.000 games.
20.500 of 41.000 games played.
From September 07th, - October 31st, 2020 no updates on my website will be available but the tournament is still running.
Most of time I am not at home and can't make updates.
Frank's Chess Page
https://www.amateurschach.de
Best
Frank
now the results from round 25 of 50 are available.
Each of 41 engines played 1.000 games.
20.500 of 41.000 games played.
From September 07th, - October 31st, 2020 no updates on my website will be available but the tournament is still running.
Most of time I am not at home and can't make updates.
Frank's Chess Page
https://www.amateurschach.de
Best
Frank
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k
Hi there,
some comments:
Most fun I have with my favorite program Wasp. Only 6 of 1.000 games lost below 60 moves. No game lost with white below 60 moves. Wasp is extremly strong in openings because such a white lost statistic have only different of TOP-10 engines. And Wasp is around 350 Elo weaker as Stockfish! For myself the program simulate the best human-style.
Stockfish lost 3 of 1.000 games only. Extremly strong from late middlegame - transposition into endgame. I have here a lot of fun in looking Stockfish games. Sensational, only 3 games lost! Stockfish won 21 of 25 rounds. The complete statistics from Stockish are sensational.
Also very strong plays Fizbo and Booot in king attacks and speculative aggressives moves. Here Andscacs is strong too. That's what human like to see, so I am thinking all of this engines comes with a great playing style.
From the "for me" newer engines never tested in detail before is Schooner, Ethereal, Xiphos and Defenchess interesting. Playing styles are absolutely nice for looking. Winter is interesting for some reasons too. Arasan is much more aggressive as in versions I test before. Pedone comes around with the same playing style Wasp like to play. The older Chiron is for a supprised King attack all the time very danger. Many of programs plays wounderful computer chess.
A bit disappointed from the passive Hanniball, Equinox and Nirvanachess style. Rybka lost a lot of games very fast (for the high playing strength very bad stats in king safty).
Komodo plays the pure endgame fantastic, here Shredder is very strong too. Also in king attacks Komodo is much stronger as earlier versions I tested with FCP Rating-List. Maybe Komodo can play all the different opening systems with most knowledge. Often my impression if I am looking in complicated systems like king indian or dutch. Andscacs is here also very strong and for sure ... Wasp!!
Short lost / won statistics:
Best
Frank
Now the next 1.000 games will be play!
Can be interesting to compare later the stats with the first 1.000 games.
some comments:
Most fun I have with my favorite program Wasp. Only 6 of 1.000 games lost below 60 moves. No game lost with white below 60 moves. Wasp is extremly strong in openings because such a white lost statistic have only different of TOP-10 engines. And Wasp is around 350 Elo weaker as Stockfish! For myself the program simulate the best human-style.
Stockfish lost 3 of 1.000 games only. Extremly strong from late middlegame - transposition into endgame. I have here a lot of fun in looking Stockfish games. Sensational, only 3 games lost! Stockfish won 21 of 25 rounds. The complete statistics from Stockish are sensational.
Also very strong plays Fizbo and Booot in king attacks and speculative aggressives moves. Here Andscacs is strong too. That's what human like to see, so I am thinking all of this engines comes with a great playing style.
From the "for me" newer engines never tested in detail before is Schooner, Ethereal, Xiphos and Defenchess interesting. Playing styles are absolutely nice for looking. Winter is interesting for some reasons too. Arasan is much more aggressive as in versions I test before. Pedone comes around with the same playing style Wasp like to play. The older Chiron is for a supprised King attack all the time very danger. Many of programs plays wounderful computer chess.
A bit disappointed from the passive Hanniball, Equinox and Nirvanachess style. Rybka lost a lot of games very fast (for the high playing strength very bad stats in king safty).
Komodo plays the pure endgame fantastic, here Shredder is very strong too. Also in king attacks Komodo is much stronger as earlier versions I tested with FCP Rating-List. Maybe Komodo can play all the different opening systems with most knowledge. Often my impression if I am looking in complicated systems like king indian or dutch. Andscacs is here also very strong and for sure ... Wasp!!
Short lost / won statistics:
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Statistics to short won / draw games:
After round 25 out of 50 = 1.000 games per engine
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1.100 of 20.500 = 5,36% : Fast won/lost games below 60 moves (with mate ended)
750 of 20.500 = 3,65% : Fast draw games below 40 moves
won59 lost59 draw39 won59w won59b lost59w lost59b
01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64 129 0 38 89 40 0 0
02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64 85 0 26 60 25 0 0
03. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64 82 0 46 59 23 0 0
04. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64 59 0 37 36 23 0 0
05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64 57 2 48 41 16 0 2
06. Booot 6.4 POP x64 54 0 56 38 16 0 0
07. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64 48 7 42 28 20 3 4
08. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64 47 14 36 29 18 3 11
09. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64 45 0 41 39 6 0 0
10. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64 40 6 33 23 17 1 5
11. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64 39 2 42 27 12 0 2
12. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64 36 1 45 23 13 1 0
13. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64 35 0 42 21 14 0 0
14. Fire 7.1 POP x64 30 2 49 23 7 0 2
15. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64 26 6 35 16 10 1 5
16. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64 25 17 38 21 4 8 9
17. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64 23 18 29 16 7 6 12
18. Chiron 4 x64 23 20 30 19 4 7 13
19. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64 20 6 34 14 6 0 6
20. Shredder 13 x64 17 11 38 14 3 0 11
21. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64 16 11 49 11 5 3 8
22. Protector 1.9.0 x64 13 34 35 8 5 12 22
23. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64 12 14 40 8 4 4 10
24. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 12 23 33 11 1 6 17
25. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64 11 37 30 9 2 10 27
26. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64 11 39 24 9 2 14 25
27. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64 11 58 38 8 3 18 40
28. Winter 0.8 x64 11 65 26 5 6 16 49
29. Critter 1.6a x64 10 37 31 7 3 14 23
30. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64 9 32 17 6 3 8 24
31. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64 9 38 49 6 3 11 27
32. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64 7 30 45 4 3 10 20
33. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64 7 36 34 6 1 10 26
34. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64 7 96 25 3 4 26 70
35. Equinox 3.30 x64 6 45 33 4 2 15 30
36. Minic 2.33 x64 6 68 34 4 2 15 53
37. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64 6 69 36 4 2 29 40
38. Hannibal 1.7 x64 4 43 25 3 1 15 28
39. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64 4 48 39 4 0 16 32
40. Combusken 1.2.0 x64 4 94 32 2 2 28 66
41. Monolith 2 PEXT x64 3 71 40 2 1 30 41
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349 of 20.500 = 1,70% : Fast won/lost games below 50 moves (with mate ended)
254 of 20.500 = 1,23% : Fast draw games below 30 moves
won49 lost49 draw29 won49w won49b lost49w lost49b
01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64 40 0 17 31 9 0 0
02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64 32 0 8 24 8 0 0
03. Booot 6.4 POP x64 21 0 19 17 4 0 0
04. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64 20 0 18 14 6 0 0
05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64 19 0 13 12 7 0 0
06. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64 18 0 19 13 5 0 0
07. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64 15 5 5 8 7 1 4
08. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64 14 0 10 9 5 0 0
09. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64 14 0 13 9 5 0 0
10. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64 13 0 13 10 3 0 0
11. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64 13 3 10 9 4 1 2
12. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64 12 0 15 10 2 0 0
13. Chiron 4 x64 11 1 9 10 1 0 1
14. Fire 7.1 POP x64 9 0 20 7 2 0 0
15. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64 8 1 6 4 4 0 1
16. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64 8 1 10 4 4 0 1
17. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64 7 2 11 6 1 0 2
18. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64 7 3 10 5 2 2 1
19. Critter 1.6a x64 7 10 12 5 2 2 8
20. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64 6 0 16 5 1 0 0
21. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64 6 0 18 2 4 0 0
22. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64 6 11 9 5 1 6 5
23. Protector 1.9.0 x64 5 9 16 3 2 2 7
24. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 4 8 7 4 0 3 5
25. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64 4 12 13 4 0 3 9
26. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64 3 8 17 2 1 0 8
27. Winter 0.8 x64 3 20 11 0 3 3 17
28. Minic 2.33 x64 3 27 11 2 1 5 22
29. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64 3 28 12 2 1 11 17
30. Shredder 13 x64 2 4 13 2 0 0 4
31. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64 2 6 2 1 1 2 4
32. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64 2 8 16 2 0 2 6
33. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64 2 12 12 1 1 5 7
34. Monolith 2 PEXT x64 2 15 16 2 0 5 10
35. Equinox 3.30 x64 2 17 16 2 0 7 10
36. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64 2 25 8 0 2 7 18
37. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64 2 28 10 1 1 8 20
38. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64 1 7 12 1 0 1 6
39. Hannibal 1.7 x64 1 13 6 1 0 3 10
40. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64 0 14 16 0 0 3 11
41. Combusken 1.2.0 x64 0 51 13 0 0 18 33
Frank
Now the next 1.000 games will be play!
Can be interesting to compare later the stats with the first 1.000 games.
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Re: FCP Tourney-2020: 41.000 games 20+5 to play on Intel i9-10900k
ETChess ? You meant to write Ethereal and SlowChess, I assume ?Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:23 am From the "for me" newer engines never tested in detail before is Schooner, ETChess, Xiphos and Defenchess. Winter is interesting for some reasons too. Arasan is much more aggressive as in versions I test before. Pepito comes around with the same playing style Wasp like. The older Chrion is for a supprised King attack all the time interesting. So many of programs plays wounderful computer chess.
And keep up this nice tournament !
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FCP Tourney-2020
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Date : September 06th, 2020 (20:30)
Games : 20.500
Version : 25.0, after R25
Elo : GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 = 3035
Conditions : http://www.amateurschach.de/main/_fcp-tourney-2020.htm
Generated with : Ordo 1.2.6 x64 (Ratings for chess and other games)
https://sites.google.com/site/gaviotachessengine/ordo
by Miguel A. Ballicora (Argentina)
# Player : Elo Games Score% won draw lost Points Draw% Error OppAvg OppE MoveAvg
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01. Stockfish 11 BMI2 x64 : 3337.84 1.000 83.3 668 329 3 832.5 32.9 19.53 3032.60 14.57 81.5
02. Houdini 6.03 Pro x64 : 3266.54 1.000 77.0 557 427 16 770.5 42.7 16.40 3034.38 14.65 82.0
03. Komodo 14.0 BMI2 x64 : 3264.47 1.000 76.8 557 423 20 768.5 42.3 16.54 3034.43 14.64 79.1
04. Ethereal 12.25 PEXT x64 : 3206.89 1.000 70.9 452 514 34 709.0 51.4 15.50 3035.87 14.67 92.8
05. SlowChess BC 2.2 x64 : 3169.72 1.000 66.7 410 513 77 666.5 51.3 15.23 3036.80 14.68 84.3
06. Fire 7.1 POP x64 : 3163.32 1.000 65.9 389 540 71 657.0 54.0 15.02 3036.96 14.68 87.0
07. Xiphos 0.6 BMI2 x64 : 3146.17 1.000 63.9 375 527 98 638.5 52.7 14.63 3037.39 14.69 83.7
08. rofChade 2.3 BMI x64 : 3142.91 1.000 63.5 368 533 99 634.5 53.3 14.70 3037.47 14.69 91.2
09. Booot 6.4 POP x64 : 3141.37 1.000 63.3 356 553 91 632.5 55.3 14.33 3037.51 14.70 77.7
10. Laser 1.7 BMI2 x64 : 3132.82 1.000 62.2 351 542 107 622.0 54.2 14.49 3037.72 14.70 86.1
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11. Shredder 13 x64 : 3112.36 1.000 59.6 341 511 148 596.5 51.1 14.54 3038.24 14.69 85.5
12. Fritz 17 (Ginkgo) x64 : 3109.61 1.000 59.3 324 538 138 593,0 53.8 14.45 3038.30 14.70 86.1
13. Schooner 2.2 SSE x64 : 3102.95 1.000 58.5 293 583 124 584.5 58.3 13.90 3038.47 14.71 86.6
14. Defenchess 2.2 POP x64 : 3099.90 1.000 58.0 294 573 133 580.5 57.3 14.44 3038.55 14.70 89.2
15. RubiChess 1.7.3 x64 : 3096.75 1.000 57.6 307 539 154 576.5 53.9 13.73 3038.63 14.72 87.5
16. Andscacs 0.95 BMI2 x64 : 3089.39 1.000 56.7 296 542 162 567.0 54.2 14.17 3038.81 14.70 85.8
17. Fizbo 2.0 BMI2 x64 : 3066.57 1.000 53.8 280 515 205 537.5 51.5 14.05 3039.38 14.71 89.4
18. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 : 3035.00 1.000 49.6 217 558 225 496.0 55.8 14.41 3040.17 14.70 90.6
18. Arasan 22.0 BMI2 x64 : 3034.93 1.000 49.6 235 522 243 496.0 52.2 13.76 3040.17 14.71 87.1
20. Fritz 16 (Rybka) x64 : 3000.33 1.000 45.0 199 503 298 450.5 50.3 14.50 3041.04 14.70 87.1
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21. Wasp 4.00 Modern x64 : 2999.49 1.000 45.0 185 529 286 449.5 52.9 14.10 3041.06 14.71 88.6
22. Pedone 2.0 BMI2 x64 : 2994.18 1.000 44.3 178 529 293 442.5 52.9 14.20 3041.19 14.70 87.5
23. Winter 0.8 x64 : 2989.97 1.000 43.7 196 482 322 437.0 48.2 13.94 3041.30 14.71 85.6
24. Vajolet2 2.8 BMI2 x64 : 2988.43 1.000 43.5 172 526 302 435.0 52.6 14.44 3041.33 14.70 89.0
25. Chiron 4 x64 : 2980.26 1.000 42.5 169 511 320 424.5 51.1 13.89 3041.54 14.71 89.7
26. Nirvanachess 2.4 POP x64 : 2977.57 1.000 42.1 150 542 308 421.0 54.2 13.30 3041.61 14.73 85.5
27. Equinox 3.30 x64 : 2976.48 1.000 42.0 149 541 310 419.5 54.1 14.51 3041.63 14.70 90.1
28. Igel 2.5.0 BMI2 x64 : 2974.17 1.000 41.6 145 543 312 416.5 54.3 14.04 3041.69 14.71 84.2
29. Critter 1.6a x64 : 2972.90 1.000 41.5 160 510 330 415.0 51.0 14.37 3041.72 14.70 88.1
30. Nemorino 5.00 BMI2 x64 : 2966.73 1.000 40.7 175 464 361 407.0 46.4 14.59 3041.88 14.69 90.6
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31. Protector 1.9.0 x64 : 2951.36 1.000 38.8 144 487 369 387.5 48.7 14.82 3042.26 14.69 87.9
32. Demolito 2020-05-14 PEXT x64 : 2950.15 1.000 38.6 155 462 383 386.0 46.2 14.54 3042.29 14.69 98.9
33. iCE 4.0 v853 Modern x64 : 2949.33 1.000 38.5 141 488 371 385.0 48.8 14.10 3042.31 14.71 87.5
34. Hannibal 1.7 x64 : 2934.20 1.000 36.6 122 488 390 366.0 48.8 14.67 3042.69 14.69 92.5
35. Minic 2.33 x64 : 2931.83 1.000 36.3 125 476 399 363.0 47.6 14.10 3042.75 14.71 84.3
36. Texel 1.07 BMI2 x64 : 2930.97 1.000 36.2 119 486 395 362.0 48.6 14.41 3042.77 14.70 90.5
37. Senpai 2.0 BMI2 x64 : 2918.26 1.000 34.6 116 461 423 346.5 46.1 14.72 3043.09 14.69 88.4
38. Combusken 1.2.0 x64 : 2906.32 1.000 33.2 108 448 444 332.0 44.8 14.79 3043.39 14.69 86.0
39. SmarThink 1.98 AVX2 x64 : 2905.95 1.000 33.1 127 409 464 331.5 40.9 14.81 3043.40 14.69 86.4
40. Monolith 2 PEXT x64 : 2861.91 1.000 28.1 59 444 497 281.0 44.4 15.98 3044.50 14.66 82.9
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41. Rodent IV 0.22 POP x64 : 2861.46 1.000 28.1 62 437 501 280.5 43.7 15.73 3044.51 14.67 86.6
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MoveAvg (average) : 175.15 / 87.575
White advantage : 47.69 +/- 1.71
Draw rate (equal opponents) : 62.25% +/- 0.41
Games : 20.500 (finished)
White Wins : 6.285 (30.7%)
Black Wins : 3.941 (19.2%)
Draws : 10.274 (50.1%)
Unfinished : 0
White Perf. : 55.7%
Black Perf. : 44.3%
ECO A00-A99 : 3.273 Games (16.0%)
ECO B00-B99 : 5.301 Games (25.9%)
ECO C00-C99 : 4.194 Games (20.5%)
ECO D00-D99 : 4.251 Games (20.7%)
ECO E00-E99 : 3.481 Games (17.0%)
I think it made sense to added the information in TalkChess.
But all statistics, ratings, results by round and many other things around the tourney can be found on my webapge and in download *.zip file. Statistics by Klaus Wlotzka (Excel files) can be download on my webpage.
FEOBOS opening stats are perfect!!
All 500 ECO codes played. Around 460 of 500 ECO simulated with current GM theory. The other 40 ECO codes plays more often or more rarely as the current TOP-870 GM like to play. Reason is clear, in FEOBOS are older opening systems inside, with lesser priority as the current opening lines GM like to play. The opening stats are in my opinion perfect. The 33.309 balanced FEOBOS postions to all of the 500 ECO codes works great! The only problem is that B00-B99 I have to often. If I try to make corrections in priorities for Shredder GUI, I have more a weaker results. But with the 5% more B00-B99 lines I can life.
Best
Frank
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