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FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
Seems you have the first rating list with enough weak opponents that the contempt from V12.00 that is no longer default in V12.25 is a big deal.
Should be far better results in your more exclusive lists. If not, something is wrong. Are you using Linux, or the Windows binaries I provided? I'm compiling Windows binaries from a new machine, so that could be a factor.
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
16 cores is the name of the rating list.
This means the NN-engines (NVidia GeForce RTX 2070) are playing against an a/b engines on 16 cores (Dual Intel Xeon E5-2670v3).
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Playing conditions
CPU: Dual Intel Xeon E5-2670v3 @ 2.6 GHz, 24 Cores
GPU: NVidia GeForce RTX 2070
OS: Windows 10 64-Bit
Tool: Cutechess-Cli
Leela Ratio: ~ 1.0
A/B-Engines: 16 Cores, 64 Bit PEXT/BMI2, default settings
NN-Engines: default settings
Hash-Table: A/B-Engines 512 MB
NN-Cache: default settings
Lc0-backend: cudnn-fp16
Time control: 60 seconds + 0.6 seconds
Tablebases: No, but tablebase adjudication with 6 pieces
Openings: Hert_250_lowdraws.epd, changing colors
Ponder: Off
Learning: Off
Large Memory Pages: Off
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
Hi Andrew,AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:31 pmSeems you have the first rating list with enough weak opponents that the contempt from V12.00 that is no longer default in V12.25 is a big deal.
Should be far better results in your more exclusive lists. If not, something is wrong. Are you using Linux, or the Windows binaries I provided? I'm compiling Windows binaries from a new machine, so that could be a factor.
I'm using the windows binaries.
I am really looking forward to the results of the 10 and 60 minute rating lists.
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
I think there's something wrong with the elo calculation:AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:31 pmSeems you have the first rating list with enough weak opponents that the contempt from V12.00 that is no longer default in V12.25 is a big deal.
Should be far better results in your more exclusive lists. If not, something is wrong. Are you using Linux, or the Windows binaries I provided? I'm compiling Windows binaries from a new machine, so that could be a factor.
See the head 2 head results.
Ethereal 12.25 scores better than 12.00, but is listed as having less elo.
http://www.fastgm.de/h2h60.html
H6 vs Eth:
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 108, 120, 22), 67.2 : +125, 3, 100.0
Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 89, 139, 22), 63.4 : +132, 4, 100.0
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 164, 82, 4), 82.0 : +259, 4, 100.0
Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 147, 101, 2), 79.0 : +267, 5, 100.0
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 64, 129, 57), 51.4 : +9, 4, 98.3
Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 55, 143, 52), 50.6 : +16, 4, 100.0
Xiphos is listed as 27 elo weaker than Eth 12.00, scores much worse vs Eth 12.25 but is somehow only 19 elo weaker.
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 56, 132, 62), 48.8 : -27, 3, 0.0
Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 28, 151, 71), 41.4 : -19, 4, 0.0
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
Unless I'm not understanding something, I think you are right.
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
No, that's not correct. See the results against the weaker opponents.Raphexon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:33 pmI think there's something wrong with the elo calculation:AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:31 pmSeems you have the first rating list with enough weak opponents that the contempt from V12.00 that is no longer default in V12.25 is a big deal.
Should be far better results in your more exclusive lists. If not, something is wrong. Are you using Linux, or the Windows binaries I provided? I'm compiling Windows binaries from a new machine, so that could be a factor.
See the head 2 head results.
Ethereal 12.25 scores better than 12.00, but is listed as having less elo.
http://www.fastgm.de/h2h60.html
H6 vs Eth:
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 108, 120, 22), 67.2 : +125, 3, 100.0 Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 89, 139, 22), 63.4 : +132, 4, 100.0
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 164, 82, 4), 82.0 : +259, 4, 100.0 Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 147, 101, 2), 79.0 : +267, 5, 100.0
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Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 64, 129, 57), 51.4 : +9, 4, 98.3 Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 55, 143, 52), 50.6 : +16, 4, 100.0
Xiphos is listed as 27 elo weaker than Eth 12.00, scores much worse vs Eth 12.25 but is somehow only 19 elo weaker.
@fastgm, eth12.25 scores better across the board, yet the rating list has Eth12.25 below 12.00 even with only 1 common opponent.Code: Select all
Ethereal 12.00 : 250 ( 56, 132, 62), 48.8 : -27, 3, 0.0 Ethereal 12.25 : 250 ( 28, 151, 71), 41.4 : -19, 4, 0.0
Otherwise the calculation with Ordo 1.2.6 would be wrong and I do not assume that.
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
I suppose the + values next to each H2H are NOT the H2H elo difference for the matchup then
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Re: FGRL - rating lists June 20th 2020
Pretty happy to get a result so high in the ranking list, usually I expect rating list results won't be as good as in my testing, and this looks about the same, slightly better even. So my goal of passing Xiphos 0.6 in at least one list is met.
My understanding of the H2H list is the elo difference values are from the engine elos on the rating list, not the specific H2H matchup. For Ethereal it looks pretty strongly like a case of better results against stronger engines, but lower/more drawish against the large amount of weaker engines.
My understanding of the H2H list is the elo difference values are from the engine elos on the rating list, not the specific H2H matchup. For Ethereal it looks pretty strongly like a case of better results against stronger engines, but lower/more drawish against the large amount of weaker engines.