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which engine should win

Post by Dayffd » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:26 pm

which engine should win in a ten game 5 minute blitz tournament: Komodo 13.02, Shashchess 8, Stockfish 10, or SugaR XPro 1.6.1? Every thing is pretty much default; threads = 4. All engines x64.
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Re: which engine should win

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Re: Which engine should win?

Post by Ajedrecista » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:54 am

Hello:
Dayffd wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:26 pm
which engine should win in a ten game 5 minute blitz tournament: Komodo 13.02, Shashchess 8, Stockfish 10, or SugaR XPro 1.6.1? Every thing is pretty much default; threads = 4. All engines x64.
There is a Round-Robin simulator that can simulate the outcome of a Round-Robin tournament with some input parameters.

I looked into CCRL 40/4 ratings as suggested above, so let's hope that 40/4 ratings are similar to 5-minute blitz games. The input parameters were:

- Ratings: the rating of each engine if available; if not, take the rating of a similar engine. Finally:

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"Stockfish 10 64-bit 4CPU", 3547
"SugaR XPrO 1.4 64-bit 4CPU", 3535
"ShashChess 6.0 64-bit 4CPU", 3505
"Komodo 13.02 64-bit 4CPU", 3490
- White advantage: the global white advantage of CCRL 40/4 games. I know that a better estimator would have been the white advantage of top level engines, but this was more difficult of calculate. Anyway:

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Testing summary:
___________________________
Total: 2'051'440 games
played by 2'369 programs
27518 CPU days (X2 4600+)

White wins: 797'129 (38.9%)
Black wins: 645'243 (31.5%)
Draws: 609'068 (29.7%)
White score: 53.7%
So I did White advantage = 400*log10{[797129 + (609068)/2]/[645243 + (609068)/2]} = 400*log10[(1101663)/(949777)] ~ 25.77 ~ 26 Elo.

- Draw rate for equal opponents: I averaged (weighted average) the draw rates of these four opponents, which are almost equal in strength. I only found 36/40 in SF-ShashChess and 62/90 in SF-K, so I supposed Draw rate = (36 + 62)/(40 + 90) = 98/130 ~ 0.7538 = 75%.

I choosed 1,000,000 simulations and 10 legs in each simulation (10 rounds per engine), so each complete tournament simulation of n engines and g games/engine will have g*[n*(n - 1)/2] games (60 games with g = 10 and n = 4).

Here are the results:

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.\rrsim-v0.5-win>rrsim-win32 -h

Program to simulate round robin tournaments

quick example: rrsim -i input_example.csv -w30 -d30 -s100 -p simulated.pgn
  - Processes input_example.csv
  - White advantage is 30 points, draw rate is 30%, simulated 100 times
  - Games simulated are saved in simulated.pgn

usage: rrsim [-OPTION]
 -h        print this help
 -v        print version number and exit
 -L        display the license information
 -q        quiet (no output except error messages)
 -i <file> input file, with comma separated value format
 -p <file> output file, containing all simulated games (optional)
 -w <num>  white advantage (rating points), default = 0.0
 -d <num>  draw rate for equal opponents (%), default = 50.0
 -s <num>  number of simulation repeats, default = 1
 -r        starts with reversed colors, (optional)
 -l        round robing legs, default = 1

[...]

.\rrsim-v0.5-win>rrsim-win32 -i input_example.csv -w 26 -d 75.0 -s 1000000 -l 10
Simulations: 1000000

0   10   20   30   40   50   60   70   80   90   100 (%)
|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|
[*************************************************]

Tournament engines = 4
Tournament boards = 2
Tournament games/leg = 6
Tournament rounds/leg = 3
Tournament legs = 10
Tournament total games = 60
Tournament total rounds = 30
Simulations = 1000000
Total games = 60000000
draw rate (equal strength) = 75.0%
White advantage = 26.0

First Engine (Stockfish 10 64-bit 4CPU: 3547.0) Stats:
won    = 512968
shared = 94253
loss   = 392779
total  = 1000000
won outright % = 51.3
won shared   % = 9.4

[...]

First Engine (SugaR XPrO 1.4 64-bit 4CPU: 3535.0) Stats:
won    = 298289
shared = 86976
loss   = 614735
total  = 1000000
won outright % = 29.8
won shared   % = 8.7

[...]

First Engine (ShashChess 6.0 64-bit 4CPU: 3505.0) Stats:
won    = 56373
shared = 34296
loss   = 909331
total  = 1000000
won outright % = 5.6
won shared   % = 3.4

[...]

First Engine (Komodo 13.02 64-bit 4CPU: 3490.0) Stats:
won    = 20676
shared = 15957
loss   = 963367
total  = 1000000
won outright % = 2.1
won shared   % = 1.6
Summarizing:

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64-bit 4CPU:
                          Outright win     Shared win     Win (outright + shared)
Stockfish 10   (3547)       51.30 %          9.43 %               60.73 %
SugaR XPrO 1.4 (3535)       29.83 %          8.70 %               38.53 %
ShashChess 6.0 (3505)        5.64 %          3.43 %                9.07 %
Komodo 13.02   (3490)        2.07 %          1.60 %                3.67 %
So, around 88.84% (~ 8/9) of a single winner and 23.16% (~ 22/95) of shared winners. Since 88.84 % + (23.16 %)/2 = 100.42 % > 100 %, some of the shared wins will be between more than two engines.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

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