MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Discussion of computer chess matches and engine tournaments.

Moderators: hgm, Rebel, chrisw

How many points will Komodo MCTS score in six game rapid handicap match with MVL?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:50 am

One point or less.
0
No votes
One and a half points.
0
No votes
Two points.
0
No votes
Two and a half points.
0
No votes
Three points.
0
No votes
Three and a half points.
0
No votes
Four points.
0
No votes
Four and a half points.
1
100%
Five points or more.
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 1

lkaufman
Posts: 5960
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 am
Location: Maryland USA

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by lkaufman »

Paloma wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:44 am
lkaufman wrote: Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:10 am Actually they are available now on chess.com, just log in to play, go to archive, request "PlayKomodo" games, and the last six as of now (with LyonBeast) are the MVL handicap games.
Thanks Larry,
but where is GM hissha ?
If you mean who is GM hissha, I am GM hissha.
Komodo rules!
JJJ
Posts: 1346
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by JJJ »

You re the only one under this account ?
Uri Blass
Posts: 10296
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:37 am
Location: Tel-Aviv Israel

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by Uri Blass »

game 3 rapid match mistakes

[d]rnb1kb1r/pppp1pp1/5q1p/4p3/2P5/2NP4/PP2P2P/R2QKBNR b KQkq - 1 5

MVL was 3.5 pawns up by 5...Bb4 but chose 5...e4

[d]rnb1k2r/pppp1pp1/7p/8/1bP1p2q/2NP4/PP1QP1BP/R2K2NR b kq - 5 8

MVL was still 3 pawns up by 8..exd3 but chose 8...f5

[d]r4rk1/pbpp2p1/1p5p/2n5/2P1P3/2N1KN2/PP5P/5R1R b - - 2 17

MVL played with the wrong rook.
correct move is 17...Rfe8
MVL played 17...Rae8 that is the more natural move.

I do not know why 17...Rfe8 is better and it seems more logical for humans to enter the rook that did not move to the game but I believe stockfish.

Later it is not clear if black had a win.

last position that I am not sure and I think black cannot win is the following

[d]8/2N1r3/3p2k1/5b2/1P1K4/P5p1/8/2R5 b - - 2 42

I am sure that 42...g2 is a draw
42...Kg5 is better but I guess 43.b5 Re2 44.b6 Rb2 45.Nd5 Rd2+ 46.Kc4 Be4 47.b7 Rb2 48.Kd4 Bf3 49.Rc8 is enough to draw.
lkaufman
Posts: 5960
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 am
Location: Maryland USA

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by lkaufman »

JJJ wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:45 am You re the only one under this account ?

Yes, each account is for one person. Do you see something odd?
Komodo rules!
Vinvin
Posts: 5228
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:40 am
Full name: Vincent Lejeune

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by Vinvin »

The 11 games with eval on a graph and downloadable PGN here : https://lichess.org/study/KsoK8rwT
Nay Lin Tun
Posts: 708
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:34 am

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by Nay Lin Tun »

JJJ wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:45 am You re the only one under this account ?
https://www.chess.com/member/hissha
carldaman
Posts: 2283
Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:13 am

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by carldaman »

Thanks for the download link.

I'm quite surprised that MVL was able to hold the 'uncrippled' Komodo at non-handicap 5+5 blitz. Komodo actually lost on time, but the game was dead drawn positionally.

Perhaps such matches (Komodo vs top GM, without material odds or positional handicaps) would NOT be so one-sided after all !? I would find that to be far more interesting that the current handicap matches.
JJJ
Posts: 1346
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by JJJ »

lkaufman wrote: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:22 am
JJJ wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:45 am You re the only one under this account ?

Yes, each account is for one person. Do you see something odd?
Not at all, just to be sure. I watched many game you played against Komodo that's all :)
todd
Posts: 56
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:09 pm

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by todd »

JJJ wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:13 am I agree. How do you feel about this match Larry ? Will you propose again the handicap Komodo lost ? Or will you try a new one ?
I m still interested to see a GM against Komodo at 1 + 1 against a big handicap. Maybe Komodo would even win at queen handicap at bullet ? :) Could be extra match.

With all my respect,

Jean-Baptiste.
I'm only an NM and I play queen odds at 1 minute with no increment against SF/K/H for a good game (I lose most games at 30 seconds and generally win at 2 minutes or with any sort of increment). A queen is really a lot, especially if you've practiced playing queen odds a bit (it gets easier with practice).
lkaufman
Posts: 5960
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 am
Location: Maryland USA

Re: MVL vs. Komodo handicap match

Post by lkaufman »

carldaman wrote: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:37 am Thanks for the download link.

I'm quite surprised that MVL was able to hold the 'uncrippled' Komodo at non-handicap 5+5 blitz. Komodo actually lost on time, but the game was dead drawn positionally.

Perhaps such matches (Komodo vs top GM, without material odds or positional handicaps) would NOT be so one-sided after all !? I would find that to be far more interesting that the current handicap matches.
Well, it was not really "uncrippled" Komodo. It was crippled in many ways: 1. Single thread only 2. no ponder 3. no tablebases 4. Black pieces 5. variety opening book 6. several months old version. The time forfeit was due to chess.com leaving the Overhead ms at the old default of 30 ms, which is intended for play on a single machine. I had told them to set it to 75 or 100 for internet play due to lag, but it didn't get done. Also, according to MVL, the final position, while probably drawn, was not a trivial draw, and he said that he might well have lost it if Komodo hadn't forfeited. Still, it does suggest that a special book is needed to avoid draws as Black, if that is the goal.
Komodo rules!