Re: World Computer Chess Championship
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:49 pm
There has been for several years now so I doubt this year will be any different.Henk wrote:
Does that mean that there will also be a livestream?
There has been for several years now so I doubt this year will be any different.Henk wrote:
Does that mean that there will also be a livestream?
I mean a stream where they show room where games are played plus operators. Like a livestream about Tata Steal tournament on youtube for instance. Maybe also add interviews.Harvey Williamson wrote:There has been for several years now so I doubt this year will be any different.Henk wrote:
Does that mean that there will also be a livestream?
Hi Tord!Tord wrote: This being said, I miss hanging out with chess programmers.
Just curious, is there something about the TCEC that makes competing in it less wrong than competing in a WCCC? I don't see the distinction, but maybe I'm missing something.Kotlov wrote:Golden words.Tord wrote: Regarding Stockfish in particular, by the very nature of the project, it's a non-competitive program. It's designed to show that cooperation and sharing are at least as effective* as competition and secrecy for driving progress in computer chess. Having it compete in a WCCC seems totally wrong to me.
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Viper would be a good candidate for this. Or perhaps GothmogTord wrote:Speaking only for myself: Cost is not a big issue. Time is somewhat an issue, but the most important factor to me is that the dark sides of the competitive side of computer chess have become increasingly visible to me in the years since I played those OTB tournaments. I believe competition in computer chess does far more harm than good, and I no longer want to be part of it. There is a slight chance that I'll come to some WCCC or similar event in the future, but if I do, I'll intentionally use some simple toy program that has no chance of finishing near the top. I'll be there to interact with the other programmers, not to try to win.
There are some tournaments that are really more for fun than anything else. For instance, the IGT (in Italy) has engines ranging from Pedone/Chiron to self-build projects on a PIC. When I participated the last two years I could predict with a high level of confidence where the Baron would end up. Even when I would have brought bigger hardware that would not have changed much. And this year I'm planning to go again (dates unknown, but I'm told the location will probably be in Mantua).Tord wrote:This being said, I miss hanging out with chess programmers. If something like an informal rapid or blitz tournament for chess programmers (not their programs) is arranged some time, I would love to participate. Some kind of meetup or conference with no actual tournament would be fun, too.
Hi Tord,Tord wrote:tournament would be fun, too.
I'm joining quite a few tournaments, both online and OTB. I never join because I think I can win with the Baron (although that sometimes happens with a generous portion of luck). I'm sure that is true for most that join OTB tournaments, even for those who actually have chances to win.mcostalba wrote:Do you all think that in TCEC engine authors join because of they think they can win? Today there are only 3 engines that can have some possibility to win a tournament..and the winner wins with a good chunk of luck too. Nevertheless a lot of engines do participate and people have a lot of fun chatting. Focusing on who will win is really misleading and is not the reason why an on-line tournament is successful.
I spoke with Richard. We suggest a programmers/team members pub crawl of Leiden regardless of there being a chess tournament or not But of course you have to be there, Tord!Harvey Williamson wrote:Hi Tord,Tord wrote:tournament would be fun, too.
Really good to hear from you. I am sure Richard Pijl and I would be willing to share a bottle of pure malt with you anywhere
Cheers,
Harvey
I'll try to be as concise as possible:mjlef wrote:I read your post three times, but I still do not understand what changes you want. The only goal I know of for the WCCC it to have the tournament. David has stated here he wants to invite the TCEC winners to participate. But of course anyone can join, limited only by available space and perhaps funds.
Could you state what changes you would make, because I do not understand.