Stockfish 8 - Double time control vs. 2 threads

[IWB]

Talking about the Ponder hit/miss ratio, is there a tool to detect this?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 39&t=62311

Thanks
Ingo

[Laskos]

Talking about the Ponder hit/miss ratio, is there a tool to detect this?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 39&t=62311

Thanks
Ingo

Try this:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=001 ... 7540551562

Although I had weird experiences with it. A ponder hit statistics with your database would be awesome!

[IWB]

...
Try this:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=001 ... 7540551562

Although I had weird experiences with it. A ponder hit statistics with your database would be awesome!

I realy would like to get and give that data but my full database (1.3GB) failed to load (out of memory), my top 16 database (70 MB) as well as a 2 game database (below) does load but all i get is 0 hits, 0 results ... nothing. It is doing something for a while, I see CPU usage, but it always comes back with no results. (Even the Check for 0s moves) doesn't change a thing).



Ingo

This as a pgn file doesnt work either:

[Event "90 Minutes/Game + 30 Seconds/Move"]
[Site "Engine Match"]
[Date "2016.10.13"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 10.2 4s"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 4s"]
[ECO "C08"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 {+0.13/30 4:43m} e6 {+0.08/33 3:36m (e5)} 2. d4
{+0.20/32 2:49m} d5 {+0.14/35 0s} 3. Nd2 {+0.21/33 3:24m}
c5 {+0.08/34 28s} 4. exd5 {+0.20/33 3:52m (Ngf3)} exd5
{+0.14/34 3:38m} 5. Ngf3 {+0.22/35 0s} Nf6 {+0.17/34 3:23m}
6. Bb5+ {+0.18/35 0s} Bd7 {+0.16/32 23s} 7. Bxd7+ {+0.21/35
4:12m} Qxd7 {+0.18/36 1:47m (Nbxd7)} 8. Ne5 {+0.20/33 3:43m
(O-O)} Qb5 {0.00/35 2:33m (Qc7)} 9. c4 {+0.09/31 1:51m}
dxc4 {+0.07/34 50s} 10. O-O {+0.19/32 1:20m} Be7 {+0.14/37
3:33m} 11. dxc5 {+0.12/33 57s} O-O {+0.11/37 6:39m}
12. Ndxc4 {+0.15/36 0s} Bxc5 {+0.10/39 10:14m} 13. b4
{+0.08/38 0s} Bxb4 {0.00/34 1:45m} 14. Rb1 {+0.13/35 47s}
Nc6 {+0.05/38 2:24m} 15. Nxc6 {+0.14/37 28s} bxc6 {+0.08/33
0s} 16. Qc2 {+0.14/35 1:53m} Qc5 {0.00/36 40s} 17. Be3
{+0.20/35 3:44m (a3)} Qe7 {+0.07/35 3:30m} 18. Bd4
{+0.14/36 0s} Ne4 {+0.10/36 1:52m (Rfe8)} 19. Ne5 {+0.23/35
5:40m} c5 {+0.15/41 0s} 20. Ba1 {+0.21/36 3:30m (Nc6)} Nd2
{0.00/35 1:17m} 21. Rxb4 {+0.11/35 1:13m} cxb4 {0.00/36
1:10m} 22. Qxd2 {+0.11/34 2:03m} f6 {0.00/41 6s} 23. Nf3
{+0.07/35 3:56m} a5 {0.00/46 0s} 24. h3 {+0.13/34 1:38m
(Re1)} Qf7 {0.00/42 13:58m (Rfd8)} 25. Bd4 {+0.17/33 1:47m
(Rb1)} b3 {0.00/43 2:15m (Rfd8)} 26. axb3 {0.00/39 3:00m}
Qxb3 {0.00/46 0s} 27. Bb2 {0.00/42 3:27m (Nh4)} Rfb8
{0.00/44 1:42m} 28. Re1 {0.00/43 2:46m (Bc1)} Qa2 {0.00/43
2:17m} 29. Re2 {0.00/42 0s} a4 {0.00/43 45s} 30. Qe1
{0.00/40 17s} Qb3 {0.00/46 1:56m (Qf7)} 31. Nd4 {0.00/36
1:14m} Qc4 {0.00/46 0s (Qd5)} 32. Rc2 {0.00/41 3:31m} Qd5
{0.00/51 0s (Qa2)} 33. Qc3 {0.00/39 2:54m (Qa1)} a3
{0.00/45 1:54m (Rc8)} 34. Bxa3 {0.00/38 1:03m} Rxa3
{0.00/51 50s} 35. Qxa3 {0.00/42 20s} Qxd4 {0.00/55 44s}
36. Qg3 {0.00/48 3:31m (Qa2+)} Rb1+ {0.00/54 1:47m (Rd8)}
37. Kh2 {0.00/47 1:05m} Rh1+ {0.00/58 0s} 38. Kxh1 {0.00/38
0s} Qd1+ {0.00/62 1:48m} 39. Kh2 {0.00/50 0s} Qxc2 {0.00/65
42s} 40. Qf3 {0.00/51 1:44m (Qb8+)} Qc7+ {0.00/60 1:45m
(Kf7)} 41. g3 {0.00/52 1:34m} h6 {0.00/63 0s (Qc4)}
42. Qd5+ {0.00/54 4:04m} Qf7 {0.00/67 0s} 1/2-1/2

[Event "90 Minutes/Game + 30 Seconds/Move"]
[Site "Engine Match"]
[Date "2016.11.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 8 4s"]
[Black "Komodo 10.2 4s"]
[ECO "C65"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d4 Nxd4 5. Nxd4 c6 6. Bc4
{+0.12/35 5:08m} exd4 {+0.10/30 3:40m} 7. Qxd4 {+0.06/37
0s} Qb6 {+0.03/32 4:50m} 8. Qe5+ {+0.07/37 0s} Be7
{+0.05/32 1:38m} 9. O-O {0.00/34 3s} Qd8 {+0.08/31 3:29m}
10. Qg3 {0.00/38 0s} O-O {+0.06/32 2:52m} 11. Nc3 {+0.02/36
3:16m} b5 {+0.10/32 0s} 12. Bd3 {+0.27/29 1:24m} d6
{+0.05/31 31s} 13. a3 {0.00/33 4:50m (h3)} Ng4 {+0.06/37
13:12m} 14. Be2 {+0.07/40 0s} Bh4 {0.00/33 2:08m (Ne5)}
15. Qf4 {0.00/38 8:33m (Qd3)} Ne5 {0.00/33 1:08m} 16. Qd2
{0.00/39 58s} Re8 {0.00/38 3:14m (a5)} 17. Rd1 {0.00/34
2:37m} Qb6 {0.00/38 0s (Be7)} 18. Qd4 {+0.13/33 1:35m
(Qf4)} f5 {0.00/35 2:55m} 19. Qxb6 {+0.11/37 2:41m} axb6
{0.00/37 0s} 20. Bf4 {+0.03/35 31s (Be3)} Nf7 {0.00/36
3:10m} 21. Bxd6 {+0.09/37 41s} Nxd6 {+0.07/36 5:58m}
22. Rxd6 {0.00/41 0s} b4 {+0.05/38 2:36m} 23. Nd1 {0.00/41
18s} Rxe4 {+0.13/36 3:25m} 24. Ne3 {+0.02/39 0s} f4
{+0.08/35 2:23m} 25. Bd3 {0.00/40 3:08m} Bxf2+ {+0.07/40
0s} 26. Kxf2 {0.00/37 49s} fxe3+ {+0.07/38 15s} 27. Ke1
{0.00/40 2:57m} Rf4 {+0.07/41 0s} 28. Rd8+ {0.00/39 1:10m
(Ke2)} Kf7 {0.00/36 1:11m} 29. Ke2 {0.00/43 3:04m} bxa3
{0.00/41 0s} 30. bxa3 {0.00/42 1:58m (Rxa3)} Ke7 {0.00/41
4:09m} 31. Rg8 {0.00/44 0s (Rh8)} Rf2+ {0.00/39 1:54m}
32. Kxe3 {0.00/44 0s} Rxg2 {0.00/39 1:25m} 33. Bxh7
{0.00/45 5:44m (Be4)} Rxh2 {0.00/39 1:51m (Kd6)} 34. Bf5
{0.00/43 5:00m (Bd3)} Bb7 {0.00/41 2:42m} 35. Rxg7+
{0.00/48 0s} Kf6 {0.00/42 1:22m} 36. Rxb7 {0.00/51 2:33m}
Kxf5 {0.00/44 0s} 37. Rxb6 {0.00/47 39s} Rxc2 {0.00/44
1:17m} 38. a4 {0.00/59 1:37m} Rd8 {0.00/45 1:38m (Rc5)}
39. a5 {0.00/53 3:17m (Rf1+)} Rc3+ {0.00/52 3:43m} 40. Ke2
{0.00/56 0s (Kf2)} Rc2+ {0.00/55 4:28m (Ke5)} 41. Kf1
{0.00/56 6:08m (Ke3)} Rh8 {0.00/45 1:19m (Ke6)} 42. Kg1
{0.00/59 2:09m} Ke5 {0.00/47 0s (Ke6)} 43. a6 {0.00/58
2:49m (Rb4)} Rg8+ {0.00/53 7:08m} 44. Kf1 {0.00/62 0s
(Kh1)} Rh8 {0.00/42 55s (Rf8+)} 45. Ra5+ {0.00/62 2:28m}
Kd6 {0.00/49 0s (c5)} 46. Kg1 {0.00/60 2:39m} Rg8+ {0.00/51
8s} 47. Kf1 {0.00/61 3:41m} Rf8+ {0.00/53 0s} 48. Kg1
{0.00/64 10:31m} Rg8+ {0.00/56 0s} 49. Kf1 {0.00/80 1:23m}
Re8 {0.00/48 0s (Rf8+)} 50. Ra1 {0.00/51 1:28m (Rf5)} Rf8+
{0.00/48 1:47m} 51. Kg1 {0.00/55 0s} Kc5 {0.00/51 1:47m
(Rg8+)} 52. Rb3 {0.00/50 4:17m (Rb7)} Rg8+ {0.00/50 1:44m}
53. Kf1 {0.00/50 2:06m} Rf8+ {0.00/52 53s} 54. Ke1 {0.00/53
1:24m (Kg1)} Re8+ {0.00/49 2:27m} 55. Kd1 {0.00/55 0s
(Kf1)} Rg2 {0.00/43 54s (Rh2)} 56. Rc1+ {0.00/47 1:09m} Kd6
{0.00/47 57s} 57. Rd3+ {0.00/52 0s (a7)} Kc7 {0.00/42 46s}
58. Rcc3 {0.00/53 27s} Rf8 {0.00/45 1:02m (Kb6)} 59. Rf3
{0.00/49 1:30m} Rh8 {0.00/45 0s (Rxf3)} 60. Rh3 {0.00/50
1:18m} Rf8 {0.00/45 0s (Rd8+)} 61. Rh7+ {0.00/51 1:14m} Kb6
{0.00/46 25s} 62. Ke1 {0.00/53 38s} Ra2 {0.00/48 1:52m
(Rg1+)} 63. a7 {0.00/52 1:30m} Re8+ {0.00/49 24s} 64. Kf1
{0.00/56 2:05m} Rf8+ {0.00/52 0s} 65. Ke1 {0.00/65 47s}
Re8+ {0.00/53 2:08m} 66. Kf1 {0.00/75 0s} Rf8+ {0.00/57
3:50m} 67. Ke1 {0.00/80 0s} 1/2-1/2

[Laskos]

...
Try this:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=001 ... 7540551562

Although I had weird experiences with it. A ponder hit statistics with your database would be awesome!

I realy would like to get and give that data but my full database (1.3GB) failed to load (out of memory), my top 16 database (70 MB) as well as a 2 game database (below) does load but all i get is 0 hits, 0 results ... nothing. It is doing something for a while, I see CPU usage, but it always comes back with no results. (Even the Check for 0s moves) doesn't change a thing).



Ingo

This as a pgn file doesnt work either:

[Event "90 Minutes/Game + 30 Seconds/Move"]
[Site "Engine Match"]
[Date "2016.10.13"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 10.2 4s"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 4s"]
[ECO "C08"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 {+0.13/30 4:43m} e6 {+0.08/33 3:36m (e5)} 2. d4
{+0.20/32 2:49m} d5 {+0.14/35 0s} 3. Nd2 {+0.21/33 3:24m}
c5 {+0.08/34 28s} 4. exd5 {+0.20/33 3:52m (Ngf3)} exd5
{+0.14/34 3:38m} 5. Ngf3 {+0.22/35 0s} Nf6 {+0.17/34 3:23m}
6. Bb5+ {+0.18/35 0s} Bd7 {+0.16/32 23s} 7. Bxd7+ {+0.21/35
4:12m} Qxd7 {+0.18/36 1:47m (Nbxd7)} 8. Ne5 {+0.20/33 3:43m
(O-O)} Qb5 {0.00/35 2:33m (Qc7)} 9. c4 {+0.09/31 1:51m}
dxc4 {+0.07/34 50s} 10. O-O {+0.19/32 1:20m} Be7 {+0.14/37
3:33m} 11. dxc5 {+0.12/33 57s} O-O {+0.11/37 6:39m}
12. Ndxc4 {+0.15/36 0s} Bxc5 {+0.10/39 10:14m} 13. b4
{+0.08/38 0s} Bxb4 {0.00/34 1:45m} 14. Rb1 {+0.13/35 47s}
Nc6 {+0.05/38 2:24m} 15. Nxc6 {+0.14/37 28s} bxc6 {+0.08/33
0s} 16. Qc2 {+0.14/35 1:53m} Qc5 {0.00/36 40s} 17. Be3
{+0.20/35 3:44m (a3)} Qe7 {+0.07/35 3:30m} 18. Bd4
{+0.14/36 0s} Ne4 {+0.10/36 1:52m (Rfe8)} 19. Ne5 {+0.23/35
5:40m} c5 {+0.15/41 0s} 20. Ba1 {+0.21/36 3:30m (Nc6)} Nd2
{0.00/35 1:17m} 21. Rxb4 {+0.11/35 1:13m} cxb4 {0.00/36
1:10m} 22. Qxd2 {+0.11/34 2:03m} f6 {0.00/41 6s} 23. Nf3
{+0.07/35 3:56m} a5 {0.00/46 0s} 24. h3 {+0.13/34 1:38m
(Re1)} Qf7 {0.00/42 13:58m (Rfd8)} 25. Bd4 {+0.17/33 1:47m
(Rb1)} b3 {0.00/43 2:15m (Rfd8)} 26. axb3 {0.00/39 3:00m}
Qxb3 {0.00/46 0s} 27. Bb2 {0.00/42 3:27m (Nh4)} Rfb8
{0.00/44 1:42m} 28. Re1 {0.00/43 2:46m (Bc1)} Qa2 {0.00/43
2:17m} 29. Re2 {0.00/42 0s} a4 {0.00/43 45s} 30. Qe1
{0.00/40 17s} Qb3 {0.00/46 1:56m (Qf7)} 31. Nd4 {0.00/36
1:14m} Qc4 {0.00/46 0s (Qd5)} 32. Rc2 {0.00/41 3:31m} Qd5
{0.00/51 0s (Qa2)} 33. Qc3 {0.00/39 2:54m (Qa1)} a3
{0.00/45 1:54m (Rc8)} 34. Bxa3 {0.00/38 1:03m} Rxa3
{0.00/51 50s} 35. Qxa3 {0.00/42 20s} Qxd4 {0.00/55 44s}
36. Qg3 {0.00/48 3:31m (Qa2+)} Rb1+ {0.00/54 1:47m (Rd8)}
37. Kh2 {0.00/47 1:05m} Rh1+ {0.00/58 0s} 38. Kxh1 {0.00/38
0s} Qd1+ {0.00/62 1:48m} 39. Kh2 {0.00/50 0s} Qxc2 {0.00/65
42s} 40. Qf3 {0.00/51 1:44m (Qb8+)} Qc7+ {0.00/60 1:45m
(Kf7)} 41. g3 {0.00/52 1:34m} h6 {0.00/63 0s (Qc4)}
42. Qd5+ {0.00/54 4:04m} Qf7 {0.00/67 0s} 1/2-1/2

[Event "90 Minutes/Game + 30 Seconds/Move"]
[Site "Engine Match"]
[Date "2016.11.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 8 4s"]
[Black "Komodo 10.2 4s"]
[ECO "C65"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d4 Nxd4 5. Nxd4 c6 6. Bc4
{+0.12/35 5:08m} exd4 {+0.10/30 3:40m} 7. Qxd4 {+0.06/37
0s} Qb6 {+0.03/32 4:50m} 8. Qe5+ {+0.07/37 0s} Be7
{+0.05/32 1:38m} 9. O-O {0.00/34 3s} Qd8 {+0.08/31 3:29m}
10. Qg3 {0.00/38 0s} O-O {+0.06/32 2:52m} 11. Nc3 {+0.02/36
3:16m} b5 {+0.10/32 0s} 12. Bd3 {+0.27/29 1:24m} d6
{+0.05/31 31s} 13. a3 {0.00/33 4:50m (h3)} Ng4 {+0.06/37
13:12m} 14. Be2 {+0.07/40 0s} Bh4 {0.00/33 2:08m (Ne5)}
15. Qf4 {0.00/38 8:33m (Qd3)} Ne5 {0.00/33 1:08m} 16. Qd2
{0.00/39 58s} Re8 {0.00/38 3:14m (a5)} 17. Rd1 {0.00/34
2:37m} Qb6 {0.00/38 0s (Be7)} 18. Qd4 {+0.13/33 1:35m
(Qf4)} f5 {0.00/35 2:55m} 19. Qxb6 {+0.11/37 2:41m} axb6
{0.00/37 0s} 20. Bf4 {+0.03/35 31s (Be3)} Nf7 {0.00/36
3:10m} 21. Bxd6 {+0.09/37 41s} Nxd6 {+0.07/36 5:58m}
22. Rxd6 {0.00/41 0s} b4 {+0.05/38 2:36m} 23. Nd1 {0.00/41
18s} Rxe4 {+0.13/36 3:25m} 24. Ne3 {+0.02/39 0s} f4
{+0.08/35 2:23m} 25. Bd3 {0.00/40 3:08m} Bxf2+ {+0.07/40
0s} 26. Kxf2 {0.00/37 49s} fxe3+ {+0.07/38 15s} 27. Ke1
{0.00/40 2:57m} Rf4 {+0.07/41 0s} 28. Rd8+ {0.00/39 1:10m
(Ke2)} Kf7 {0.00/36 1:11m} 29. Ke2 {0.00/43 3:04m} bxa3
{0.00/41 0s} 30. bxa3 {0.00/42 1:58m (Rxa3)} Ke7 {0.00/41
4:09m} 31. Rg8 {0.00/44 0s (Rh8)} Rf2+ {0.00/39 1:54m}
32. Kxe3 {0.00/44 0s} Rxg2 {0.00/39 1:25m} 33. Bxh7
{0.00/45 5:44m (Be4)} Rxh2 {0.00/39 1:51m (Kd6)} 34. Bf5
{0.00/43 5:00m (Bd3)} Bb7 {0.00/41 2:42m} 35. Rxg7+
{0.00/48 0s} Kf6 {0.00/42 1:22m} 36. Rxb7 {0.00/51 2:33m}
Kxf5 {0.00/44 0s} 37. Rxb6 {0.00/47 39s} Rxc2 {0.00/44
1:17m} 38. a4 {0.00/59 1:37m} Rd8 {0.00/45 1:38m (Rc5)}
39. a5 {0.00/53 3:17m (Rf1+)} Rc3+ {0.00/52 3:43m} 40. Ke2
{0.00/56 0s (Kf2)} Rc2+ {0.00/55 4:28m (Ke5)} 41. Kf1
{0.00/56 6:08m (Ke3)} Rh8 {0.00/45 1:19m (Ke6)} 42. Kg1
{0.00/59 2:09m} Ke5 {0.00/47 0s (Ke6)} 43. a6 {0.00/58
2:49m (Rb4)} Rg8+ {0.00/53 7:08m} 44. Kf1 {0.00/62 0s
(Kh1)} Rh8 {0.00/42 55s (Rf8+)} 45. Ra5+ {0.00/62 2:28m}
Kd6 {0.00/49 0s (c5)} 46. Kg1 {0.00/60 2:39m} Rg8+ {0.00/51
8s} 47. Kf1 {0.00/61 3:41m} Rf8+ {0.00/53 0s} 48. Kg1
{0.00/64 10:31m} Rg8+ {0.00/56 0s} 49. Kf1 {0.00/80 1:23m}
Re8 {0.00/48 0s (Rf8+)} 50. Ra1 {0.00/51 1:28m (Rf5)} Rf8+
{0.00/48 1:47m} 51. Kg1 {0.00/55 0s} Kc5 {0.00/51 1:47m
(Rg8+)} 52. Rb3 {0.00/50 4:17m (Rb7)} Rg8+ {0.00/50 1:44m}
53. Kf1 {0.00/50 2:06m} Rf8+ {0.00/52 53s} 54. Ke1 {0.00/53
1:24m (Kg1)} Re8+ {0.00/49 2:27m} 55. Kd1 {0.00/55 0s
(Kf1)} Rg2 {0.00/43 54s (Rh2)} 56. Rc1+ {0.00/47 1:09m} Kd6
{0.00/47 57s} 57. Rd3+ {0.00/52 0s (a7)} Kc7 {0.00/42 46s}
58. Rcc3 {0.00/53 27s} Rf8 {0.00/45 1:02m (Kb6)} 59. Rf3
{0.00/49 1:30m} Rh8 {0.00/45 0s (Rxf3)} 60. Rh3 {0.00/50
1:18m} Rf8 {0.00/45 0s (Rd8+)} 61. Rh7+ {0.00/51 1:14m} Kb6
{0.00/46 25s} 62. Ke1 {0.00/53 38s} Ra2 {0.00/48 1:52m
(Rg1+)} 63. a7 {0.00/52 1:30m} Re8+ {0.00/49 24s} 64. Kf1
{0.00/56 2:05m} Rf8+ {0.00/52 0s} 65. Ke1 {0.00/65 47s}
Re8+ {0.00/53 2:08m} 66. Kf1 {0.00/75 0s} Rf8+ {0.00/57
3:50m} 67. Ke1 {0.00/80 0s} 1/2-1/2

I haven't used it for years, I don't remember which PGN format it does recognize. I remember this soft even gave some numbers when there were no actual ponder moves in PGN, so I am not sure what to make out of it.

[IWB]

Hello Kai,

Have a look here:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 65&t=62311

The sample rate is low - just one game - but we have a 70% Ponder hit rate for equal opponents. That would mean that more than 8 core Ponder OFF games are a waste already

Bye
Ingo

[IWB]

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 65&t=62311

Second game is 70% as well. It seems many cores are really not that good starting from 8 cores. So 8 core ponder ON gives "better" games than 16 cores Ponder OFF. (For equal opponents on big hardware)

I like that

Ingo

[Laskos]

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 65&t=62311

Second game is 70% as well. It seems many cores are really not that good starting from 8 cores. So 8 core ponder ON gives "better" games than 16 cores Ponder OFF. (For equal opponents on big hardware)

I like that

Ingo

That's impressive! Ferdinand is very kind, if you ask him, he might write a tool to derive ponder hit statistics. It would be interesting to have all ponder hit numbers for your top 16 database. 70% is VERY high, IIRC 40-50% was the norm. If it is 70% more generally for similar in strength engines, then indeed 8 cores each engine ponder ON is more efficient than 16 cores each engine ponder OFF.

[IWB]

That's impressive! Ferdinand is very kind, if you ask him, he might write a tool to derive ponder hit statistics. It would be interesting to have all ponder hit numbers for your top 16 database. 70% is VERY high, IIRC 40-50% was the norm. If it is 70% more generally for similar in strength engines, then indeed 8 cores each engine ponder ON is more efficient than 16 cores each engine ponder OFF.

Yes, but those two games were 90 + 30 on 16 cores Ponder ON (32 core Opteron)! That is slightly better than my 5 + 3, 1 core list I expect a lower P-HIT rate there.

But with some luck we get some statistics on my TOP16 list ...

[ernest]

The results of Komodo 9.3 self-play, which I would think also apply to Srockfish 8 self-play, were presented by Andreas here:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 84&start=0
At this time control, about 93 ELO points for doublig of Komodo,...

Then how would you explain the result of Dmitri Gusev, in
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 680#694680

"The third match completed Nov. 16 tested Stockfish_8_x64_bmi2 against AsmFishW_2016-11-04_bmi2. AsmFish won barely, +194-187=1665, +1 Elo."

In my answer, see
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 701#694701

I ask :
This is the same old question : how does speed translate into Elo ?

[Laskos]

The results of Komodo 9.3 self-play, which I would think also apply to Srockfish 8 self-play, were presented by Andreas here:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 84&start=0
At this time control, about 93 ELO points for doublig of Komodo,...

Then how would you explain the result of Dmitri Gusev, in
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 680#694680

"The third match completed Nov. 16 tested Stockfish_8_x64_bmi2 against AsmFishW_2016-11-04_bmi2. AsmFish won barely, +194-187=1665, +1 Elo."

In my answer, see
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 701#694701

I ask :
This is the same old question : how does speed translate into Elo ?

Isn't the answer in Andreas' experiment:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 84&start=0

Speed * time = nodes
Identical nodes identical engine 1 core = identical strength

Identical speed * (2 * time) = 2*nodes = doubling
(2 * speed) * time = 2*nodes = doubling

2 * time is equivalent to 2 * speed at everything else equal, and are equal to a doubling. So, Andreas' result is both for twice the time or twice the speed. And his results are in ELO.