CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

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CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by Werner » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:57 pm

Hi all,

our actual rating lists are online and can be found under the attached links.

40 / 20:
New games: 3.223; 39 different engines
Total: 977.192

NEW Engines
2 Stockfish 8.0 x64 1CPU: 3357 - 1100 games (+116 to v. 7.0)
12 Houdini 5.0 x64 1CPU: 3295 - 400 games (startrating +189 to v. 4.0)
259 Arasan 19.2 x64 1CPU: 2848 - 1000 games (+80 to v. 19.1)
52 Shredder Classic 5 x64 4CPU: 3097 - 200 games (startrating only 55 points behind v. 13)

UPDATES
35 Deep Shredder 13 x64 1CPU: 3152 - 1412 games (+3)
13 Komodo 10.1 x64 1CPU: 3264 - 1300 games (-7)
14 Komodo 10.2 x64 1CPU: 3259 - 1461 games (+1)
1 Komodo 10.2 x64 4CPU: 3363 - 417 games (2)

40 / 120:
There was an update on 14th of October with +920 games.
New are Andscacs 0.872 x64, Fizbo 1.8 x64, Ginkgo 1.8 x64, Hannibal 1.7 x64, Jonny 8.00 x64, Protector 1.9.0 x64 and Texel 1.06 x64

5'+3'' pb=on
Last update was on Nov. 04th with Rodent II 0.9.64 x64 and Andscacs 0.872 x64; we are now testing Houdini 5.0 x64, Stockfsh 8.0 x64, Deep Shredder 13 x64 and Komodo 10.2

40 / 4
next update on Wednesday with Komodo 10.2 x64 1CPU; Stockfish 8.0 x64 1CPU (3338/800); Deep Shredder 13 x64 1CPU (3147/1100), Houdini 5.0 and Komodo 10.2 x64 12CPU

A big „Thank you“ to all testers as usual!!

Links

40/20: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating.htm
Blitz: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/blitz.htm
40/120: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating120.htm
Tester: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/testers/testers.htm
40/20 pb=on: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating4020PBON.htm
5+3 pb=on: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating5plus3pbon.htm
Games of the week: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... on/gow.jpg

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by abulmo » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:59 am

in this list: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... liste.html
Several strong programs appear twice: e.g. Stockfish 8/7 Houdini 5/4 Deep Shredder 13/12, Arasan 19.2/19.1.

I believed only a single version was allowed in this rating list.
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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by Werner » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:29 am

abulmo wrote:in this list: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... liste.html
Several strong programs appear twice: e.g. Stockfish 8/7 Houdini 5/4 Deep Shredder 13/12, Arasan 19.2/19.1.
I believed only a single version was allowed in this rating list.
Thanks Richard,
I normally clear the list one week later as I do not know the results of new engines before. And Deep Shredder 12 is the reference at the moment, so I will not delete this entry.
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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by Guenther » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:32 am

abulmo wrote:in this list: http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... liste.html
Several strong programs appear twice: e.g. Stockfish 8/7 Houdini 5/4 Deep Shredder 13/12, Arasan 19.2/19.1.

I believed only a single version was allowed in this rating list.
It means single cpu versions, at least the link which leads to it is named 'best single version' and one only sees 1 cpu tested programs.
I agree though that the naming is a bit missleading, especially as there seems to be no list, which shows just one best version for each program.
('Best versions only' also means something different than expected)

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by Werner » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:54 am

Hi Guenther,
I am sorry - I must agree. The lists are started long before I joined the group. I have a look at All Versions and Best Single Versions for 40/20 - the other 2 lists are not edited (our Admin has no automatic program to make these lists out the the whole database - he has to clean the list with a file which exclude wrong names). At the moment I think he has no time (or pleasure ?) to clean the last lists too.
But I think our Blitz lists are correct.
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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by mehmet karaman » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:29 am

After 1200 games the performance of Stockfish 8 (1 core) is incredible.
+116 elo increase according to Stockfish 7 (1 core).

I think Stockfish (4 core) elo will be ~3450

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by mehmet karaman » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:15 am

The elo of Stockfish 8 (1core) is 3357

The elo of Deep Fritz 10.1(1 core) is 2656

The elo difference is 701!

In 2006 Deep Fritz 10 beat WCC Kramnik with a score of 4-2.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2


I think Stockfish 8 would easily beat Magnus Carlsen with a score of 10-0 (with a strong hardware and good opening book)

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by carldaman » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:49 am

mehmet karaman wrote:The elo of Stockfish 8 (1core) is 3357

The elo of Deep Fritz 10.1(1 core) is 2656

The elo difference is 701!

In 2006 Deep Fritz 10 beat WCC Kramnik with a score of 4-2.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2


I think Stockfish 8 would easily beat Magnus Carlsen with a score of 10-0 (with a strong hardware and good opening book)
The relevant question is what hardware Deep Fritz 10 used in the Kramnik match. [What cpu speed and how many cores?] Then we can draw better conclusions on whether CEGT is under-rating its engines relative to humans.

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by mehmet karaman » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:26 am

carldaman wrote:
mehmet karaman wrote:The elo of Stockfish 8 (1core) is 3357

The elo of Deep Fritz 10.1(1 core) is 2656

The elo difference is 701!

In 2006 Deep Fritz 10 beat WCC Kramnik with a score of 4-2.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2


I think Stockfish 8 would easily beat Magnus Carlsen with a score of 10-0 (with a strong hardware and good opening book)
The relevant question is what hardware Deep Fritz 10 used in the Kramnik match. [What cpu speed and how many cores?] Then we can draw better conclusions on whether CEGT is under-rating its engines relative to humans.

Deep Fritz had played with Dual Intel Xeon 5160 (2 core, 3 Ghz) and it had calculated around eight million positions per second

4 core i7 cpu (2,4 ghz or more) calculates more than 10 million positions per second.

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Re: CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

Post by Vinvin » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:55 am

mehmet karaman wrote:
carldaman wrote:
mehmet karaman wrote:The elo of Stockfish 8 (1core) is 3357

The elo of Deep Fritz 10.1(1 core) is 2656

The elo difference is 701!

In 2006 Deep Fritz 10 beat WCC Kramnik with a score of 4-2.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2


I think Stockfish 8 would easily beat Magnus Carlsen with a score of 10-0 (with a strong hardware and good opening book)
The relevant question is what hardware Deep Fritz 10 used in the Kramnik match. [What cpu speed and how many cores?] Then we can draw better conclusions on whether CEGT is under-rating its engines relative to humans.

Deep Fritz had played with Dual Intel Xeon 5160 (2 core, 3 Ghz) and it had calculated around eight million positions per second

4 core i7 cpu (2,4 ghz or more) calculates more than 10 million positions per second.
It's very soon the 10th anniversary of this memorable match, the 1st time a PC beat a reigning world champion in a serious match !

http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Kram ... ep%20Fritz
http://www.spiegel.de/international/vla ... 50566.html
https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... Fritz+2006

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