60m+15s ; 15cpu ; ponder ON

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Re: 60m+15s ; 15cpu ; ponder ON

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mehmet karma wrote:The performance of Shredder is really wonderful
How many wins against SF and Komodo, in these two tournaments + the last one from December?
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Ozymandias wrote:
mehmet karma wrote:The performance of Shredder is really wonderful
How many wins against SF and Komodo, in these two tournaments + the last one from December?
Shredder 160625 isn't as strong as Stockfish and Komodo but Shredder 160625 is +300 elo stronger than Shredder 12.

+300 elo progress at 18 months is incredible. Shredder can reach the level of Komodo and Houdini next year.
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mehmet karaman wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
mehmet karma wrote:The performance of Shredder is really wonderful
How many wins against SF and Komodo, in these two tournaments + the last one from December?
Shredder 160625 isn't as strong as Stockfish and Komodo but Shredder 160625 is +300 elo stronger than Shredder 12.

+300 elo progress at 18 months is incredible. Shredder can reach the level of Komodo and Houdini next year.
You're missing my point. Shredder 11 was 100 ELO points weaker than Rybka 2.3.2a, but it still scored wins (1 out of 10). Shredder 13 may be 100 ELO points weaker than the top 2 (3?) and useless to me, if it can't score wins.

I'm not as optimistic about that.
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mehmet karaman wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
mehmet karma wrote:The performance of Shredder is really wonderful
How many wins against SF and Komodo, in these two tournaments + the last one from December?
Shredder 160625 isn't as strong as Stockfish and Komodo but Shredder 160625 is +300 elo stronger than Shredder 12.

+300 elo progress at 18 months is incredible. Shredder can reach the level of Komodo and Houdini next year.
If Stockfish continues it this current manner, it is very possible the improvement of many very strong engines will look like that:

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The improvement would hardly be in this case linear on entire span, and overcoming Stockfish is a bit in another paradigm.
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Ozymandias wrote:
mehmet karaman wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
mehmet karma wrote:The performance of Shredder is really wonderful
How many wins against SF and Komodo, in these two tournaments + the last one from December?
Shredder 160625 isn't as strong as Stockfish and Komodo but Shredder 160625 is +300 elo stronger than Shredder 12.

+300 elo progress at 18 months is incredible. Shredder can reach the level of Komodo and Houdini next year.
You're missing my point. Shredder 11 was 100 ELO points weaker than Rybka 2.3.2a, but it still scored wins (1 out of 10). Shredder 13 may be 100 ELO points weaker than the top 2 (3?) and useless to me, if it can't score wins.

I'm not as optimistic about that.
Only 20 games isn't enough to give a decision.
I think Shredder has made a significant progress in the last 2.5-3 months
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mehmet karaman wrote:Only 20 games isn't enough to give a decision.
I think Shredder has made a significant progress in the last 2.5-3 months
It's a decision based on the conditional that Shredder continues to score no wins against the top 2.
AFAIR, the December tournament gave similar results to these new ones. No progress at all.