Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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Vinvin
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

Post by Vinvin »

Jesse Gersenson wrote:It's move 32. Rd3?
Did you search until depth 31 as in the game ?
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

Post by zullil »

Vinvin wrote:
Jesse Gersenson wrote:It's move 32. Rd3?
Did you search until depth 31 as in the game ?
I don't have the "special version" of Komodo being used in the match, but with

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Komodo 9.1 64-bit by Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman and Mark Lefler
using hardware POPCNT
info string Licensed to Louis Zulli

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zullil
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

Post by zullil »

zullil wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
Jesse Gersenson wrote:It's move 32. Rd3?
Did you search until depth 31 as in the game ?
I don't have the "special version" of Komodo being used in the match, but with

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Komodo 9.1 64-bit by Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman and Mark Lefler
using hardware POPCNT
info string Licensed to Louis Zulli

Code: Select all

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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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Jesse Gersenson wrote:27. Rd3 doesn't look like Komodo's choice. Komodo wants to play Re1-d1. The eval difference is 0.6!?
Presumably the new contempt made Komodo unwilling to trade rooks even for 60 centipawns. But I would estimate that contempt would only offset about 40 centipawns in this situation. Perhaps the rest is just due to resultant variations being quite different.
This raises the question, how much should Komodo have to gain when down a knight to justify trading queens? The setting used for this match would imply about 90 centipawns for this. Should it be more, less, or is this about right? Opinions, anyone?
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lkaufman wrote:
Jesse Gersenson wrote:27. Rd3 doesn't look like Komodo's choice. Komodo wants to play Re1-d1. The eval difference is 0.6!?
Presumably the new contempt made Komodo unwilling to trade rooks even for 60 centipawns. But I would estimate that contempt would only offset about 40 centipawns in this situation. Perhaps the rest is just due to resultant variations being quite different.
This raises the question, how much should Komodo have to gain when down a knight to justify trading queens? The setting used for this match would imply about 90 centipawns for this. Should it be more, less, or is this about right? Opinions, anyone?
I think that it should be dependent on the position.

There is a difference between trading queens when there are only queens on the board except knight and pawns and trading queens when all the pieces are on the board except knight b1.

There is also a difference between trading queens in the next move that you can be sure that the human is going to see and a long line that force trading queens that the human may miss.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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Hi Larry
Trading pieces when u r a Knight down must occur only in 2 cases: avoid major material loss, or gain of at least 120 centipawns. Further exchange of pieces must be for at least 140 centipawns.
I my self willing to play some games vs Komodo 9.1 in 30min + 15s per move to try to demonstrate a few concepts i think about.

If the human opponent acts intelligently, he will trade a maximum of pieces giving slight concessions each time for Komodo to "provoque" the exchanges. As much as there as less pieces on the board, the human will be less willing to make blunders and his remaining pieces will get more relative value.

Also after looking at the games of komodo vs Bolzony i don't think that Komodo's opening choice is the best. Closed positions will always favor humans (playing with a Knight up). Komodo's choice must be towards opened positions with more tactics.

Again i think that Komodo's evaluation of openings is not the best. And i suggest making major changes by implementing new features to better evaluate positions from the openings. These features must be used and tuned according to the opening choices (for example when playing strategical openings this feature should be used for 10-15 moves, when playing tactical openings it certainly should be used for 8-12 moves).
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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musketeerchess wrote:Hi Larry
Trading pieces when u r a Knight down must occur only in 2 cases: avoid major material loss, or gain of at least 120 centipawns. Further exchange of pieces must be for at least 140 centipawns.
I my self willing to play some games vs Komodo 9.1 in 30min + 15s per move to try to demonstrate a few concepts i think about.

If the human opponent acts intelligently, he will trade a maximum of pieces giving slight concessions each time for Komodo to "provoque" the exchanges. As much as there as less pieces on the board, the human will be less willing to make blunders and his remaining pieces will get more relative value.

Also after looking at the games of komodo vs Bolzony i don't think that Komodo's opening choice is the best. Closed positions will always favor humans (playing with a Knight up). Komodo's choice must be towards opened positions with more tactics.

Again i think that Komodo's evaluation of openings is not the best. And i suggest making major changes by implementing new features to better evaluate positions from the openings. These features must be used and tuned according to the opening choices (for example when playing strategical openings this feature should be used for 10-15 moves, when playing tactical openings it certainly should be used for 8-12 moves).
I do not agree.

If you earn 100 centi-pawns for trading pieces then it is clearly a good deal espacielly when the pieces are not queens.

Even the numbers that larry suggested seem to me too high for trading queens if we talk about the opening and having a full pawn for a knight after trading queens is good.

I think that winning the following position is harder than winning with a knight handicap.
I did not test it and it may be interesting to test it in engine-engine games

[D]rnb1kbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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Uri Blass wrote:
musketeerchess wrote:Hi Larry
Trading pieces when u r a Knight down must occur only in 2 cases: avoid major material loss, or gain of at least 120 centipawns. Further exchange of pieces must be for at least 140 centipawns.
I my self willing to play some games vs Komodo 9.1 in 30min + 15s per move to try to demonstrate a few concepts i think about.

If the human opponent acts intelligently, he will trade a maximum of pieces giving slight concessions each time for Komodo to "provoque" the exchanges. As much as there as less pieces on the board, the human will be less willing to make blunders and his remaining pieces will get more relative value.

Also after looking at the games of komodo vs Bolzony i don't think that Komodo's opening choice is the best. Closed positions will always favor humans (playing with a Knight up). Komodo's choice must be towards opened positions with more tactics.

Again i think that Komodo's evaluation of openings is not the best. And i suggest making major changes by implementing new features to better evaluate positions from the openings. These features must be used and tuned according to the opening choices (for example when playing strategical openings this feature should be used for 10-15 moves, when playing tactical openings it certainly should be used for 8-12 moves).
I do not agree.

If you earn 100 centi-pawns for trading pieces then it is clearly a good deal espacielly when the pieces are not queens.

Even the numbers that larry suggested seem to me too high for trading queens if we talk about the opening and having a full pawn for a knight after trading queens is good.

I think that winning the following position is harder than winning with a knight handicap.
I did not test it and it may be interesting to test it in engine-engine games

[D]rnb1kbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
Right, I got for this position at 3' + 1'':
+11 -3 =2 for Komodo over Shredder.

For normal knight odds, I got previously:
+14 -12 =6

So, in engine matches, to trade early the white queen against a queen and a pawn is beneficial to white. I am not sure against humans this argument works.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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Laskos wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
musketeerchess wrote:Hi Larry
Trading pieces when u r a Knight down must occur only in 2 cases: avoid major material loss, or gain of at least 120 centipawns. Further exchange of pieces must be for at least 140 centipawns.
I my self willing to play some games vs Komodo 9.1 in 30min + 15s per move to try to demonstrate a few concepts i think about.

If the human opponent acts intelligently, he will trade a maximum of pieces giving slight concessions each time for Komodo to "provoque" the exchanges. As much as there as less pieces on the board, the human will be less willing to make blunders and his remaining pieces will get more relative value.

Also after looking at the games of komodo vs Bolzony i don't think that Komodo's opening choice is the best. Closed positions will always favor humans (playing with a Knight up). Komodo's choice must be towards opened positions with more tactics.

Again i think that Komodo's evaluation of openings is not the best. And i suggest making major changes by implementing new features to better evaluate positions from the openings. These features must be used and tuned according to the opening choices (for example when playing strategical openings this feature should be used for 10-15 moves, when playing tactical openings it certainly should be used for 8-12 moves).
I do not agree.

If you earn 100 centi-pawns for trading pieces then it is clearly a good deal espacielly when the pieces are not queens.

Even the numbers that larry suggested seem to me too high for trading queens if we talk about the opening and having a full pawn for a knight after trading queens is good.

I think that winning the following position is harder than winning with a knight handicap.
I did not test it and it may be interesting to test it in engine-engine games

[D]rnb1kbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1B1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1
Right, I got for this position at 3' + 1'':
+11 -3 =2 for Komodo over Shredder.

For normal knight odds, I got previously:
+14 -12 =6

So, in engine matches, to trade early the white queen against a queen and a pawn is beneficial to white. I am not sure against humans this argument works.
This test suggests that we set contempt too high. Komodo may have made too many concessions to avoid exchanges. I'll keep investigating.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 3rd game Broadcast

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When will be the 4th game?