SF vs ChessBase declared a draw

[dkappe]

https://stockfishchess.org/blog/2022/ch ... agreement/

After one year, things will return to the status quo.

[Modern Times]

I think that is very definitely a win for the Stockfish team. Chessbase have admitted that they breached the GPL. That was basically the main objective of the lawsuit, as I see it.

And hugely embarrassing for Chessbase.

[CornfedForever]

Odd.
One person declares this a 'draw'
another, a 'win for Stockfish'.

Yet another might say if Chessbase doesn't have to pay $$ to team SF, it's a 'win' of sorts for Chessbase.

Kind of reminds me of Rashomon...

[Raphexon]

Odd.
One person declares this a 'draw'
another, a 'win for Stockfish'.

Yet another might say if Chessbase doesn't have to pay $$ to team SF, it's a 'win' of sorts for Chessbase.

Kind of reminds me of Rashomon...

Team SF was never going to ask for money...

[CornfedForever]

Odd.
One person declares this a 'draw'
another, a 'win for Stockfish'.

Yet another might say if Chessbase doesn't have to pay $$ to team SF, it's a 'win' of sorts for Chessbase.

Kind of reminds me of Rashomon...

Team SF was never going to ask for money...

Then one could argue Chessbase did what they did knowing they would likely make $$ and never have to worry about the consequences.
And...they get reinstated from what I see.

[Dariusz]

It will be interesting to see how "(...) Nevertheless, in one year from now, Tord and Stéphane will reinstate ChessBase's license in practice."

[Modern Times]

It will be interesting to see how "(...) Nevertheless, in one year from now, Tord and Stéphane will reinstate ChessBase's license in practice."

Yes, but will we ever actually see another chessbase product based on Stockfish ?

[Dariusz]

It will be interesting to see how "(...) Nevertheless, in one year from now, Tord and Stéphane will reinstate ChessBase's license in practice."

Yes, but will we ever actually see another chessbase product based on Stockfish ?

Unfortunately, I guess it wouldn't surprise me. For years, ChessBase has wanted with all its might to have and promote its products with a strong, preferably one of the strongest chess engines in the world. And that is ok. But this determination of theirs has crossed the boundaries that should not be crossed, and it has appeared.... FatFritz. We know what happened next. And it's probably better for them to focus more on improving their products in the future, because they demand it.

[IrishGambit]

I wouldn't call this settlement a return to the status quo. At the very least, ChessBase agreed to place under GPL license any neural networks developed for a Stockfish-derived product. They hadn't done so for Fat Fritz, the open source version contained a weaker NN.

I think ChessBase will continue to develop Stockfish derivatives. Their average customer will probably be willing to pay some money to get a product that works out of the box instead of spending time to get the free version to run.

[dkappe]

I wouldn't call this settlement a return to the status quo. At the very least, ChessBase agreed to place under GPL license any neural networks developed for a Stockfish-derived product. They hadn't done so for Fat Fritz, the open source version contained a weaker NN.

I think ChessBase will continue to develop Stockfish derivatives. Their average customer will probably be willing to pay some money to get a product that works out of the box instead of spending time to get the free version to run.

Does ChessBase own the NN used by FF2 or, failing that, have the rights to distribute it under the GPLv3? Neither of those is true of Houdini, so they couldn’t make it available under the GPL.