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Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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albert (deleted), this isnt for you if you didnt notice :) (unless you want to be funny)
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Post by adams161 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:14 pm

I've contended that Stockfish on iOS violates GPL as there is no way to comply with the requirements like ability to re-link etc and about all an iOS developer can do is attribute they use stockfish. But they haven't pursued that so far.

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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

Post by CMCanavessi » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 pm

Is this the 1st time a chess-software-licence lawsuit is filled? If not, what are some previous instances?
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Post by mclane » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:08 pm

What about loop and WII chess and jaap van den heriks protégée?!
The International Computer Games Association (ICGA) has received a formal complaint from Fabien Letouzey, the programmer of FRUIT, regarding the program LOOP. The allegation is that LOOP, which has participated in the World Computer Chess Championship, uses code derived from FRUIT, which placed second at the 2005 World Computer Chess Championship in Reykjavik....
Isn't "Loop" the follow-up program of List, which was accused to be a derivative in the 2003 WCCC?
I happen (now) to know more details, and there was indeed rather strong evidence that LIST, at least in some versions, was derivative of Crafty. This was presented to the ICGA with said complaint.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

Post by dkappe » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:18 pm

CMCanavessi wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 pm
Is this the 1st time a chess-software-licence lawsuit is filled? If not, what are some previous instances?
There have been a few cases in Germany, specifically. This is the only that I’m aware of that came to a decision (as opposed to a settlement, etc.)
GPL has had a good history with regard to enforceability in the EU. As is often the case with these sorts of cases, however, the facts are the main point of contention. I’d expect a settlement, regardless of the merits, unless the case is dismissed.
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Post by Harvey Williamson » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:42 pm

I wonder if they have hired one of those firms that offers ‘No win no fee’ If so the lawyer must think they have a reasonable chance!?

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Post by dkappe » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:59 pm

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:42 pm
I wonder if they have hired one of those firms that offers ‘No win no fee’ If so the lawyer must think they have a reasonable chance!?
The firm is JBB Rechtsanwälte in Berlin. They are small to medium sized, maybe 25 employees. Looking at the backgrounds of some of their attorneys, they seem to have a some med malpractice, some licensing, some media law. Probably not deep pockets as far as pro bono or contingency stuff goes. Maybe the Stockfish project has a gofundme (is that even allowed for litigation in Germany)?

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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

Post by AndrewGrant » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:23 pm

Excellent news. About time that people stood up for their rights.

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