Speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

[Javier Ros]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

[Milos]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

[MMarco]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

Is that because they dont have tensor cores? I've seen claims that it should compete with a 3070, i.e. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3 ... l-xe-512eu

[Raphexon]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

Is that because they dont have tensor cores? I've seen claims that it should compete with a 3070, i.e. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3 ... l-xe-512eu

I think he's talking about the Intel GPUs that are currently available.
Which are the integrated ones, and they're fairly crap. (Compared to everything past a gtx1050)


We don't know how good the discrete Intel GPUs will be, but if AMD is anything to go by. They will perform markedly worse for Lc0.

[Milos]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

Is that because they dont have tensor cores? I've seen claims that it should compete with a 3070, i.e. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3 ... l-xe-512eu

Yes that's one reason, another one is because there is no support like CUDA/cudnn that exists for NVIDIA cards that provides great speedup.
Even top of the line AMDs RX 6900xt that has great rendering performance is significantly worse compared to basic RTX card like 2060S when running Lc0.
And I don't see even those rumored Intel DG2 being close to like RX 6900xt, let alone compared to 30xx series.

[MMarco]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

Is that because they dont have tensor cores? I've seen claims that it should compete with a 3070, i.e. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3 ... l-xe-512eu

I think he's talking about the Intel GPUs that are currently available.
Which are the integrated ones, and they're fairly crap. (Compared to everything past a gtx1050)


We don't know how good the discrete Intel GPUs will be, but if AMD is anything to go by. They will perform markedly worse for Lc0.

Oh I see. Then I'm also curious about what the igpu can do too.

Last year I tested a bit the Vega 10 on my 3750H laptop. I was able to get 5000 knps with dx12 and a 10b net if I remember correctly. But the big 30b nets were really slow - like 300 nps (or even less?). At blitz time control (say 1 sec per move) the 10b were stronger than 20x256 or 30x384.

[MMarco]

Yes that's one reason, another one is because there is no support like CUDA/cudnn that exists for NVIDIA cards that provides great speedup.
Even top of the line AMDs RX 6900xt that has great rendering performance is significantly worse compared to basic RTX card like 2060S when running Lc0.
And I don't see even those rumored Intel DG2 being close to like RX 6900xt, let alone compared to 30xx series.

OK. Thanks for explaining!

[Javier Ros]

Does anyone have any news about the speed of Lc0 in the new Intel GPU's?

Pathetic is the answer you are looking for. Unless your GPU is GTX 1030 or something from an early last decade. Than CPU performance might be in the same order of magnitude (but still slower).

Is that because they dont have tensor cores? I've seen claims that it should compete with a 3070, i.e. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3 ... l-xe-512eu

Yes that's one reason, another one is because there is no support like CUDA/cudnn that exists for NVIDIA cards that provides great speedup.
Even top of the line AMDs RX 6900xt that has great rendering performance is significantly worse compared to basic RTX card like 2060S when running Lc0.
And I don't see even those rumored Intel DG2 being close to like RX 6900xt, let alone compared to 30xx series.

Thank you