New Engine:
AXWChessBot 0.0.8 by Jan Niklas Richter released yesterday
This version is stable now and uci support is sufficient for being tested.
My rating estimation is around 1300 at CCRL-scale for it.
https://github.com/ArcticXWolf/AXWChessbot
New engine releases & news 2021
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
If 8.1 is so similar to 8, why are Ed's SIM test results so very different ?kranium wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:31 amHi WolfWolfgang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:00 pm Hi Norman,
thanks for the new version, including source code
I tested 8.0 privately under CEGT conditions. Does it make sense to re-test, i.e. is 8.1 stronger/different/weaker than 8.0?
Or can I use the games from 8.0 for our list?
I have no problem to re-test if you think it's better.
Thanks
There were minor code optimizations, so it may be a tiny bit faster...
of course such a small improvement would only really manifest itself in ultra-fast TCs.
I believe you will find little (if any) elo improvement in 8.1.
In normal play (at CEGT TCs) it should perform and test exactly like 8.0.
http://rebel13.nl/dump/fire.html
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
See http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 00#p890351Modern Times wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:54 amIf 8.1 is so similar to 8, why are Ed's SIM test results so very different ?kranium wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:31 amHi WolfWolfgang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:00 pm Hi Norman,
thanks for the new version, including source code
I tested 8.0 privately under CEGT conditions. Does it make sense to re-test, i.e. is 8.1 stronger/different/weaker than 8.0?
Or can I use the games from 8.0 for our list?
I have no problem to re-test if you think it's better.
Thanks
There were minor code optimizations, so it may be a tiny bit faster...
of course such a small improvement would only really manifest itself in ultra-fast TCs.
I believe you will find little (if any) elo improvement in 8.1.
In normal play (at CEGT TCs) it should perform and test exactly like 8.0.
http://rebel13.nl/dump/fire.html
Turns out Fire 8.1 uses a lot of Houdini 6's code.
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
I had the same results with Fire 8: low similarity (30-35%) with all the engines. I guess it was doing some pruning at the root.Modern Times wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:54 amIf 8.1 is so similar to 8, why are Ed's SIM test results so very different ?kranium wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:31 amHi WolfWolfgang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:00 pm Hi Norman,
thanks for the new version, including source code
I tested 8.0 privately under CEGT conditions. Does it make sense to re-test, i.e. is 8.1 stronger/different/weaker than 8.0?
Or can I use the games from 8.0 for our list?
I have no problem to re-test if you think it's better.
Thanks
There were minor code optimizations, so it may be a tiny bit faster...
of course such a small improvement would only really manifest itself in ultra-fast TCs.
I believe you will find little (if any) elo improvement in 8.1.
In normal play (at CEGT TCs) it should perform and test exactly like 8.0.
http://rebel13.nl/dump/fire.html
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
I don't understand why Norm would suggest to CEGT to combine 8 and 8.1 results when the evaluation per Ed's SIM tests are very very different.
OK I'm not convinced myself on SIM tests such as those but many people more expert than me are.
OK I'm not convinced myself on SIM tests such as those but many people more expert than me are.
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
It's easy to manipulate the SIM-depth=1 test, of course Norm had to take it out in 8.1Modern Times wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:54 amIf 8.1 is so similar to 8, why are Ed's SIM test results so very different ?kranium wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:31 amHi WolfWolfgang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:00 pm Hi Norman,
thanks for the new version, including source code
I tested 8.0 privately under CEGT conditions. Does it make sense to re-test, i.e. is 8.1 stronger/different/weaker than 8.0?
Or can I use the games from 8.0 for our list?
I have no problem to re-test if you think it's better.
Thanks
There were minor code optimizations, so it may be a tiny bit faster...
of course such a small improvement would only really manifest itself in ultra-fast TCs.
I believe you will find little (if any) elo improvement in 8.1.
In normal play (at CEGT TCs) it should perform and test exactly like 8.0.
http://rebel13.nl/dump/fire.html
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
this saga just keeps getting more and more complicated.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:06 am See http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 00#p890351
Turns out Fire 8.1 uses a lot of Houdini 6's code.
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
So what if it is using.. When Houdart created Houdini he took and copied a lot of stuff from Robbolito which btw was under a GPL. Author of Robollito was Norman Schmidt, just in case you did not know.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:06 amSee http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 00#p890351Modern Times wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:54 amIf 8.1 is so similar to 8, why are Ed's SIM test results so very different ?kranium wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:31 amHi WolfWolfgang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:00 pm Hi Norman,
thanks for the new version, including source code
I tested 8.0 privately under CEGT conditions. Does it make sense to re-test, i.e. is 8.1 stronger/different/weaker than 8.0?
Or can I use the games from 8.0 for our list?
I have no problem to re-test if you think it's better.
Thanks
There were minor code optimizations, so it may be a tiny bit faster...
of course such a small improvement would only really manifest itself in ultra-fast TCs.
I believe you will find little (if any) elo improvement in 8.1.
In normal play (at CEGT TCs) it should perform and test exactly like 8.0.
http://rebel13.nl/dump/fire.html
Turns out Fire 8.1 uses a lot of Houdini 6's code.
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
The complication is that Ed says it is easy for authors to manipulate the SIM-depth=1 test.voffka wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:03 pmthis saga just keeps getting more and more complicated.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:06 am See http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 00#p890351
Turns out Fire 8.1 uses a lot of Houdini 6's code.
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Re: New engine releases & news 2021
Houdini 6 has a different codebase than Houdini 1-4, as discussed multiple times in the past few uears on Talkchess and elsewhere. Vast chunks of Houdini 6's codebase copied from both Stockfish 8 and Komodo, with very little of it actually coming from the original Houdini 1-4 codebase.
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=73433