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Chess can be dangerous for kids

Post by Cardoso » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:32 pm


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Re: Chess can be dangerous for kids.

Post by Ajedrecista » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:58 pm

Hello Álvaro:
There are gaps in the video. I found a longer video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhrvwHrceRg

Possible sequence of moves:



They also featured three three-movers:

1) The same idea than in Chanda 1-0 Tiviakov (2007) (found thanks to the pages 253 and 254 of Formation Attacks book):


2) Very old problem:


3) Galitzky, 1900 (YACPDB #125088):


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Re: Chess can be dangerous for kids

Post by jefk » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:29 pm

maybe the game was not cooked, but the problems obviously were,
even the toddler admitted this.
PS being Dutch, i would regard this as child abuse,
but then i've seen clips from Chinese girls at similar
age playing violin or piano, so nowadays nothing
is surprising me anymore in such areas.
PS2 keep in mind many prodigies can fail in later life
(yes, even in chess, violin, or piano)
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Re: Chess can be dangerous for kids.

Post by IanO » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:04 pm

Ajedrecista wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:58 pm
Hello Álvaro:
There are gaps in the video. I found a longer video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhrvwHrceRg

They also featured three three-movers:

2) Very old problem:


Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.
Very old indeed, older than chess itself! It is a modification of one of the handful of ancient (>1000 year old) Shatranj problems which are still valid in the modern game of chess. See Murray's "History of Chess", problem #53:

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Re: Chess can be dangerous for kids.

Post by Ajedrecista » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:56 pm

Hello Ian:
IanO wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:04 pm
Ajedrecista wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:58 pm
Hello Álvaro:
There are gaps in the video. I found a longer video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhrvwHrceRg

They also featured three three-movers:

2) Very old problem:


Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.
Very old indeed, older than chess itself! It is a modification of one of the handful of ancient (>1000 year old) Shatranj problems which are still valid in the modern game of chess. See Murray's "History of Chess", problem #53:

[D]6K1/3r3r/5kn1/5p2/5P2/6N1/8/4R1R1 w
Thank you for the reference of Murray's book! I found some variants with the same idea in the book Libro de los juegos of 1283, thanks to a transcription:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110717133 ... tion%2Fpdf

Problems 58, 63, 64 and 97 at least (pages 284, 292, 294 and 356, respectively) thanks to 'Abu Naam' references (other Internet sources spell "Abu Na'im"). It is funny that Chessmaster 9000 make its appearance at the page 280 of this PDF when talking about the smothered mate because this checkmate pattern is featured in the opening animated sequence of the game. Absolutely true since I have got Chessmaster 9000 and saw it many times, though I have not used it for years despite being really amazing.

I also found the exact setup of the problem of my previous post at page 138 of the Lucena's book of 1497:

https://bvpb.mcu.es/es/catalogo_imagene ... sicion=138

White moves and says he will checkmate black in three moves neither more nor less. The first, check with the knight at g5, then check with the rook at f6 and checkmate with the other rook at d6.

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Re: Chess can be dangerous for kids

Post by IanO » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:53 am

Thank you so much for those references! I guess there were quite a few variations on that theme.

I'm delighted that we can still enjoy the creative brilliance of the finest minds of a thousand years ago, even though the game has changed. (See also Al-Suli's Diamond, a corresponding-square Shatranj endgame study which took a thousand years to solve!)

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