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mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

How exactly do the bad openings make the contest unfair?

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:50 am

Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

How exactly do the bad openings make the contest unfair?

I was thinking about that after I wrote my statement, it should be fair since both engines will play the same bad opening in reverse
https://tcec-chess.com/live.html

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:23 am They should be testing the normal Stockfish Vs Stockfish NNUE instead of versus Komodo https://tcec-chess.com/live.html

Gary Internet wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:24 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:23 am They should be testing the normal Stockfish Vs Stockfish NNUE instead of versus Komodo https://tcec-chess.com/live.html

They will be. The winner is SF Classic vs Komodo then goes on to play SFNNUE. You will get the match you want. Be patient.

Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

How exactly do the bad openings make the contest unfair?

Werewolf wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

How exactly do the bad openings make the contest unfair?

Exactly.
A strong engine must be able to win won positions.

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Werewolf wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:40 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:38 am

corres wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:12 am

mwyoung wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:36 am ...
And the reason for this is TCEC uses bias openings. If a match shows a win for both engines in the same line. It is a busted opening. But we already know from TCEC own words. Wins are more important for views. So this is expected.

TCEC is not a fair competition, it is only an interesting show of chess.

You are correct to say that TCEC uses very bad openings, instead of using balanced Openings where there is no big advantage to either side to determine which engine is the best. They could use a balanced 4 or 6 opening moves.

How exactly do the bad openings make the contest unfair?

Exactly.
A strong engine must be able to win won positions.

You probably meant the strongest of the two engines competing should be able to win a won position after the opening, but if the engine is 85- 95 Elo weaker like in the case of Komodo the most that it will do is win only 33% of the games where the opening is better for White. For instance in this last game the opening is considered very balanced where White has a slight advantage of no more than 3.5, but because white or Komodo which is the weaker engine has the first move it will probably draw. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=sf ... &season=19