The most stupid idea by the Stockfish Team

[syzygy]

Biggest problem for now is that embedding is creating false positives on some systems.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-ana ... /detection

Are you getting it from abrok.eu/stockfishj/?
I just checked and abrok indeed only offers executables with embedded network file. So now the trick is to convince the abrok maintainer to build SF without embedded net.

[Vinvin]

Now each exe will be over 21 MB..

What's your problem with a 21 MB file ?

I would prefer to manually install and remove the network file if I am not happy with it and use another one... Now with the network file inside the exe this option is no longer possible..

You're wrong. It's still possible.

[schack]

Compiled it myself, true, but at the risk of hubris, I think my system is clean.

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[quote=schack post_id=858330 time=1598794132 user_id=5142]
Biggest problem for now is that embedding is creating false positives on some systems.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-ana ... /detection
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Are you getting it from abrok.eu/stockfishj/?
I just checked and abrok indeed only offers executables with embedded network file. So now the trick is to convince the abrok maintainer to build SF without embedded net.
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[schack]

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[quote=Damir post_id=858287 time=1598780777 user_id=3761]
Now each exe will be over 21 MB..
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What's your problem with a 21 MB file ?

[quote=Damir post_id=858289 time=1598781196 user_id=3761]
I would prefer to manually install and remove the network file if I am not happy with it and use another one... Now with the network file inside the exe this option is no longer possible..
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You're wrong. It's still possible.
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How to do this, Vinvin?

[jdart]

First time I tried installing it, I neglected to download the network file and the engine crashed when started up.

I think I agree with the sentiment that it should "just work" after download. There are various ways to fix this, like a comprehensible error message if the network file is not present (but I am not clear you'd see that necessarily if a UI is trying to load it). Embedding a default network does not seem to me like such a bad idea if it improves the "naive user" experience.

--Jon

[yurikvelo]

Don't care if it is not in ABROK.
Embedded *.nnue is OK for official (yearly) build of SF-12, but not for daily DEV builds

[Nay Lin Tun]

There is utility in packaging them together. The vast majority of Stockfish users are not people who frequent any forums like this.

If you really want to be ahead of the curve, just compile your own Stockfishs yourself.

Agreed. There will be x100 times download from Official stockfish website, if stockfish team can put engine and GUI together.

Majority of people buy Fritz engine or other commercial software because, there is a package of engine plus gui by "one click" installation.

If there were three-four steps,
1. download stockfish
2. download nn
3. install and locate nn
4. download gui etc, 99% of engine users will say bye bye Stockfish. (Chessbase will be laughing for it)

[Vinvin]

Now each exe will be over 21 MB..

What's your problem with a 21 MB file ?

I would prefer to manually install and remove the network file if I am not happy with it and use another one... Now with the network file inside the exe this option is no longer possible..

You're wrong. It's still possible.

How to do this, Vinvin?

Delete the exe file.

[Deberger]

How to do this,

How to build Stockfish without embedded NNUE:

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CXXFLAGS="-DNNUE_EMBEDDING_OFF" make build

[dkappe]

This is similar to how people on this forum were complaining about the hybrid NNUE / classic eval which gained elo and wanted a pure NNUE. Outside of computer chess enthusiasts, most people want to just be able to download the engine and have it work (with default settings be as strong as possible) with minimal fuss.

Ripping out hybrid, or in my case, making NNUE maximally configurable, is a bit more complicated. The comedy, of course, is that they left hybrid in the training code, which broke training. Very amusing.