Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:43 pm

Hi there,

I believe this was the last version of "Winboard rating list", a long time before CEGT or CCRL started!

The good and olt times!
Djordje and myself in background contact a lot of programmers for make Winboard more and more interesting!
With Kai and Christian Koch we played many nice tournaments and Tim Mann have bigger problems
to add all the information about new engines on his site.

I will added the games, later this day in my download selection.
Sure, million of chess peoples have interest to download this material for Stockfish tunings??!

Bob Hyatt was not a big fan from Bionic if I remember!
That's going too far.

Best
Frank

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WB KSQ                  --> 3041 Games <--                     16:42 09.06.99
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   Kai Skibbe (Hamburg), Christian Koch (Hamburg), Frank Quisinsky (Trier)
40 moves / 40 minutes, ponder = off, AMD K6-2 333/400 MHz, Celeron 450 MHz !!
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for Fritz 5-32 ELO calculation,                  58.750 : 25 = 2350 (  0 ELO)
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01. Zarkov              4.5e-4.5g            2516 ELO   284 Games   USA  2525
02. Crafty              15.18-16.10          2480 ELO   422 Games   USA  2575
03. Comet               A95-B03              2441 ELO   416 Games   GER  2450
03. Phalanx             17-21                2441 ELO   392 Games   TCH  2450
05. Voyager             2.29-5.03            2430 ELO   326 Games   SUI  2425
06. Nimzo               2000                 2425 ELO   190 Games   AUT  2425
07. Bionic Impakt       4.01                 2424 ELO   190 Games   BEL  2425
08. Patzer              2.99zp-3.0           2409 ELO   424 Games   GER  2400
09. Gromit              2.11x-2.16           2400 ELO   293 Games   GER  2400
10. AnMon               4.09-4.22            2392 ELO   232 Games   FRA  2400
11. ZChess              1.2                  2374 ELO   180 Games   FRA  2375
12. Francesca           0.63-0.68c           2373 ELO   242 Games   ENG  2375
13. The Crazy Bishop    37-43                2358 ELO   358 Games   FRA  2350
14. Little Goliath      1.05-1.41a           2350 ELO   316 Games   GER  2350
15. Bringer             1.2-1.4      !PLAY!  2340 ELO    81 Games   GER  2325
16. Arasan              5.1-5.1a     !NEW!   2324 ELO   170 Games   USA  2325
17. Ant                 3.42-3.61            2281 ELO   186 Games   NDL  2275
18. LambChop            6.9-7.1              2270 ELO   180 Games   ZEA  2275
19. Stobor              B.32-B.56            2256 ELO   218 Games   USA  2250
20. Dragon              3.11         !NEW!   2199 ELO   172 Games   FRA  2200
21. ExChess             2.46-2.51            2187 ELO   250 Games   USA  2175
22. La Dame Blanche     2.0-2.0c     !NEW!   2122 ELO   120 Games   FRA  2125
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--. Bionic Impakt       4.11                 2361 ELO   110 Games   BEL  2375
--. Gromit              2.0-2.1              2288 ELO   106 Games   GER  2300
--. ZChess              0.92-1.0             2288 ELO   224 Games   FRA  2300
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Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:07 pm

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WinBoard, Turnier 1999

                      1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        0        1        2        3        4        
1   Crafty            ******** 1½10010½ ½111½000 11101011 111½½1½0 1½110110 1½00½11½ ½½011101 111½1110 ½11½11½½ 11½½½10½ 0½111111 1111101½ 11½01111  71.5/104
2   Zarkov            0½01101½ ******** 1½1½1011 01½11000 1101½½01 0½100110 01101½½1 ½11½½011 11111111 1101½½11 00111110 ½½1½½½11 1½11½111 1½1½1111  71.0/104
3   Comet             ½000½111 0½0½0100 ******** 10101011 0100½1½1 011½1½1½ 111½1011 ½½½11001 1½1½011½ 0110½½½½ ½½0½11½0 00111111 ½11½111½ 1½101½01  62.5/104
4   Phalanx           00010100 10½00111 01010100 ******** 11½½0½10 1010½½0½ 110½0101 1½11½1½½ ½½100½½1 ½111111½ ½1110½½1 01010111 10010100 ½111101½  58.5/104  2904.75
5   Voyager           000½½0½1 0010½½10 1011½0½0 00½½1½01 ******** 01011110 0111½½11 0101½111 111½0½10 01½01001 ½111½½11 ½001000½ 11101101 01111011  58.5/104  2893.50
6   WB Nimzo          0½001001 1½011001 100½0½0½ 0101½½1½ 10100001 ******** ½1½010½1 1½01½011 1½000100 00110110 0½1½01½1 ½111110½ 1000½011 ½0111101  52.5/104
7   Patzer            0½11½00½ 10010½½0 000½0100 001½1010 1000½½00 ½0½101½0 ******** ½½00111½ 11½½1011 ½00½0½10 110½110½ ½01½1101 0½01110½ 1111½½½1  50.5/104
8   AnMon             ½½100010 ½00½½100 ½½½00110 0½00½0½½ 1010½000 0½10½100 ½½11000½ ******** 1½½½½1½1 1½01½½1½ ½½0½1100 0½110½10 1111½101 111½0½½1  50.0/104
9   ZChess            000½0001 00000000 0½0½100½ ½½011½½0 000½1½01 0½111011 00½½0100 0½½½½0½0 ******** ½½0110½1 01½111½1 10½11½11 1111½0½0 ½01½1½11  48.0/104
10  Gromit            ½00½00½½ 0010½½00 1001½½½½ ½000000½ 10½10110 11001001 ½11½1½01 0½10½½0½ ½½1001½0 ******** 01110110 1101½½00 ½00½0100 1½101111  47.0/104
11  Francesca         00½½½01½ 11000001 ½½1½00½1 ½0001½½0 ½000½½00 1½0½10½0 001½001½ ½½1½0011 10½000½0 10001001 ******** 00½110½0 ½1½½1½11 11½0101½  44.0/104
12  Bionic Impakt     1½000000 ½½0½½½00 11000000 10101000 ½110111½ ½000001½ ½10½0010 1½001½01 01½00½00 0010½½11 11½001½1 ******** 10½10000 ½½½01110  42.0/104
13  The Crazy Bishop  0000010½ 0½00½000 ½00½000½ 01101011 00010010 0111½100 1½10001½ 0000½010 0000½1½1 ½11½1011 ½0½½0½00 01½01111 ******** ½½10½½01  41.5/104
14  Stobor            00½10000 0½0½0000 0½010½10 ½000010½ 10000100 ½1000010 0000½½½0 000½1½½0 ½10½0½00 0½010000 00½1010½ ½½½10001 ½½01½½10 ********  30.5/104

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:08 pm

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WinBoard, Tunrier 1998

                      1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        
1   Crafty            ******** 1111010½ 01½00111 00110½½0 1½111111 11110½11 1½0½½101 10½½11½1 ½11½1½11  43.5/64
2   Phalanx           0000101½ ******** 10010111 ½1½10½1½ 01111001 111½110½ 01111011 00010001 1101½111  38.0/64
3   Crafty 14.13      10½11000 01101000 ******** ½10½0½½1 001½11½1 010½0½0½ 11½½1111 111110½0 11110111  37.5/64
4   Comet             11001½½1 ½0½01½0½ ½01½1½½0 ******** 00½11000 0½111110 101010½0 1½½11011 111101½1  36.0/64
5   Patzer            0½000000 10000110 110½00½0 11½00111 ******** ½11100½½ 0½011010 ½1111½½1 11111½11  34.0/64
6   The Crazy Bishop  00001½00 000½001½ 101½1½1½ 1½000001 ½00011½½ ******** 11011011 ½11½0½01 11110111  32.5/64
7   Little Goliath    0½1½½010 10000100 00½½0000 010101½1 1½100101 00100100 ******** 1½½½01½0 11101111  28.5/64
8   ZChess            01½½00½0 11101110 000001½1 0½½00100 ½0000½½0 ½00½1½10 0½½½10½1 ******** 01111110  28.0/64
9   ExChess           ½00½0½00 0010½000 00001000 000010½0 00000½00 00001000 00010000 10000001 ********  10.0/64

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:09 pm

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WinBoard, Turnier 1998

                      1            2            3            4            5            6            7            8            
1   Crafty            ************ ½0½0110½0½0½ 01½1011010½0 10½1111½0½0½ 1110111½111½ 10111½½1111½ ½11½011½½010 11½0½1111111  54.0/84
2   Comet             ½1½1001½1½1½ ************ 1½½001½00100 100½1½10½100 1½1011½½11½0 111100111½11 11111½00½1½½ ½1110½11111½  52.5/84
3   Phalanx           10½0100101½1 0½½110½11011 ************ 110001½110½½ 01½00000½011 011½010½½100 111111011½01 1½11½1111½1½  49.0/84
4   Patzer            01½0000½1½1½ 011½0½01½011 001110½001½½ ************ 110½10010½½½ 001½½0½1101½ ½00110111111 0111½01½111½  46.0/84
5   Little Goliath    0001000½000½ 0½0100½½00½1 10½11111½100 001½01101½½½ ************ ½01½½1½00000 101111111½11 10001½11½½11  42.0/84
6   The Crazy Bishop  01000½½0000½ 000011000½00 100½101½½011 110½½1½0010½ ½10½½0½11111 ************ 0½½11½001½00 ½001111011½0  37.5/84
7   Gromit            ½00½100½½101 00000½11½0½½ 000000100½10 ½11001000000 010000000½00 1½½00½110½11 ************ 0½11011001½0  29.5/84
8   ZChess            00½1½0000000 ½0001½00000½ 0½00½0000½0½ 1000½10½000½ 01110½00½½00 ½110000100½1 1½00100110½1 ************  25.5/84

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:11 pm

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WinBoard, Turnier 1998

                      1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        0        1        2        3        4        
1   Bionic Impakt     ******** 01½1½0½1 0½01½½0½ 11½11½1½ 111001½1 ½1001111 1001011½ 0110010½          110½111½                   101½1110           44.5/72
2   Crafty            10½0½1½0 ********          11½0½110 1½001111 ½½½0111½ ½11½0100 00½10101 1½101½½1 11101101 ½0111100                             42.5/72
3   Patzer            1½10½½1½          ******** ½010½0½1                   01010001 10110½00 1101½101 00½00½1½          01½111½½ 11½11110 11111011  42.0/72
4   Comet             00½00½0½ 00½1½001 ½101½1½0 ******** 10101101 ½011½0½½ 0½½01001                            110011½0 11111110 111½1111           40.0/72  1418.50
5   Gromit            000110½0 0½110000          01010010 ******** 0½010111 11011010 011½101½          ½1111½½½ 11001½01                   11111½1½  40.0/72  1377.25
6   Francesca         ½0110000 ½½½1000½          ½100½1½½ 1½101000 ********          ½½100½11 10101010                   111½011½ 01½11½0½ 11111111  40.0/72  1282.00
7   Phalanx           0110100½ ½00½1011 10101110 1½½10110 00100101          ********          10100010 011½110½ 01111101 ½10101½1                    39.5/72
8   The Crazy Bishop  1001101½ 11½01010 01001½11          100½010½ ½½011½00          ******** 0111010½ 00001½10 10110101                   1½111011  38.5/72
9   Ant                        0½010½½0 0010½010                   01010101 01011101 1000101½ ********          ½½111½½0 0½100½11 010½0011 11½1111½  37.0/72
10  Little Goliath    001½000½ 00010010 11½11½0½          ½0000½½½          100½001½ 11110½01          ********          ½0011110 01½10010 1110½111  34.5/72
11  ZChess                     ½1000011          001100½1 00110½10          10000010 01001010 ½½000½½1          ******** 110½½0½1 1½½111½½ ½0110011  33.5/72
12  ExChess                             10½000½½ 00000001          000½100½ ½01010½0          1½011½00 ½1100001 001½½1½0 ******** 00111½10 ½½010110  28.0/72  919.50
13  Lamb Chop         010½0001          00½00001 000½0000          10½00½1½                   101½1100 10½01101 0½½000½½ 11000½01 ******** ½1101110  28.0/72  909.00
14  La Dame Blanche                     00000100          00000½0½ 00000000          0½000100 00½0000½ 0001½000 ½1001100 ½½101001 ½0010001 ********  16.0/72

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:15 pm

Enough ...
But maybe nice to see the old material again!

Have a good start in the week!

Best
Frank

Ajedrecista · Post by **Ajedrecista** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:16 pm

Hello Frank:

There are more old lists available online!

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ww ... uisinsky/*

You can filter by text (.zip, .htm and so on).

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https://web.archive.org/web/20000531033 ... lo_txt.zip

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Kai Skibbe, Christian Koch, Frank Quisinsky, 4548 Games        27.08.99 20:30
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 40/40, PB=off, WB 4.0.x, K6-2 333-416, Celeron 450, P III 450-504, K6-3 450
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01. WB Nimzo          AUT   2000a         2565/156   087/042/027   ELO ~ 2424
02. WB Zarkov         USA   4.5e-4.5h     2525/516   278/135/103   ELO ~ 2408
03. Crafty            USA   15.18-16.15   2494/628   317/160/151   ELO ~ 2399
--. WB Nimzo          AUT   2000          2461/250   123/052/075   ELO ~ 2395
04. Voyager           SUI   2.29-6.01     2458/536   249/129/158   ELO ~ 2401
05. Comet             GER   A.95-B.05     2445/594   260/152/182   ELO ~ 2401
06. Little Goliath    GER   2000 Beta     2439/302   119/096/087   ELO ~ 2402
07. Bionic Impakt     BEL   4.01          2429/230   104/050/076   ELO ~ 2386
08. Phalanx           TCH   17-21         2419/564   247/110/207   ELO ~ 2397
09. Patzer            GER   2.99zp-3.0    2406/588   246/140/202   ELO ~ 2384
10. Gromit            GER   2.11-2.20     2402/504   189/116/199   ELO ~ 2409
11. AnMon             FRA   4.09-4.27     2401/402   157/102/143   ELO ~ 2393
12. Francesca         ENG   0.63-0.70     2380/438   149/119/170   ELO ~ 2401
13. The Crazy Bishop  FRA   37-43         2368/396   151/083/162   ELO ~ 2382
14. ZChess            FRA   1.20          2356/202   070/060/072   ELO ~ 2363
--. Little Goliath    GER   1.05-1.41a    2352/326   123/066/137   ELO ~ 2372
--. Bionic Impakt     BEL   4.11 Beta     2342/126   037/028/061   ELO ~ 2414
15. LambChop          ZEA   8.2 (WM99)    2346/170   050/033/087   ELO ~ 2425
16. Bringer           GER   1.2-1.5 Beta  2324/384   116/079/189   ELO ~ 2396
17. Arasan            USA   5.1a          2311/184   056/045/083   ELO ~ 2368
--. ZChess            FRA   0.92-1.0      2298/250   079/054/117   ELO ~ 2354
--. Gromit            GER   2.0-2.1       2284/124   037/021/066   ELO ~ 2370
18. Stobor            USA   B.36+B.56     2253/232   050/054/128   ELO ~ 2378
19. Ant               NDL   3.42+3.61     2243/222   052/046/124   ELO ~ 2367
--. LambChop          ZEA   6.9+7.1       2240/198   048/038/112   ELO ~ 2365
20. Dragon            FRA   3.11          2197/184   037/026/121   ELO ~ 2371
21. EXchess           USA   2.46-2.51     2181/262   043/049/170   ELO ~ 2373
22. La Dame Blanche   FRA   2.0c          2120/128   023/017/088   ELO ~ 2321

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                      ELO Berechnung unter Hiarcs 7-32
   Eichen auf Zarkov Wert "2530", dann Anpassung an Chess-Base 7 Statistik
  Ergebnisse von ZChess 0.92-1.00, Gromit 2.0-2.10 und La Dame Blanche 2.0c
                          sind nicht aufgeführt!
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[...]

INDIVIDUAL RESULTS

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https://web.archive.org/web/20000601103 ... lostat.zip

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CLUSTER.DAT

Cluster No. 1:

AnMon 5.02-5.03               
Comet B.10-B.11               
Francesca 0.70-0.73           
SOS 11/99                     
Insomniac 0.59z-0.61          
Little Goliath 2000, 2.0      
Patzer 3.08-3.09              
The Crazy Bishop 0045         
ZChess 1.50-1.51              
Zarkov 4.5L                   

10 programs, 540 games

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GENERAL.DAT

Games        : 540

White Wins   : 236 (43.7 %)
Black Wins   : 173 (32.0 %)
Draws        : 131 (24.3 %)

White Perf.  : 55.8 %
Black Perf.  : 44.2 %

ECO A =     95 Games (17.6 %)
ECO B =    157 Games (29.1 %)
ECO C =    138 Games (25.6 %)
ECO D =    109 Games (20.2 %)
ECO E =     41 Games ( 7.6 %)

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PROGRAMS.DAT

Single statistics:

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RATING.DAT

    Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 Zarkov 4.5L                    : 2567   50  61   108    71.3 %   2409   35.2 %
  2 Little Goliath 2000, 2.0       : 2492   58  62   108    60.6 %   2418   23.1 %
  3 Insomniac 0.59z-0.61           : 2471   61  52   108    57.4 %   2420   33.3 %
  4 SOS 11/99                      : 2454   63  60   108    54.6 %   2422   18.5 %
  5 AnMon 5.02-5.03                : 2442   65  55   108    52.8 %   2423   24.1 %
  6 Comet B.10-B.11                : 2410   55  66   108    47.7 %   2427   23.1 %
  7 Patzer 3.08-3.09               : 2393   60  63   108    44.9 %   2429   19.4 %
  8 ZChess 1.50-1.51               : 2363   61  59   108    40.3 %   2432   23.1 %
  9 The Crazy Bishop 0045          : 2351   66  57   108    38.4 %   2433   19.4 %
 10 Francesca 0.70-0.73            : 2306   70  52   108    31.9 %   2438   23.1 %

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Ruling engines have changed a lot!

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

Frank Quisinsky · Post by **Frank Quisinsky** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:32 pm

Hi,

oh, have many thanks ... yes I remember me!

In the last three years I made a lot with the older chess computers and have many fun here.
Perhaps now it's time to search a Pentium III system and install Windows NT and all the material from Winboard times. A vintage selection with nice tourneys can be very interesting.

I have ideas for an interesting web page about it.
All the material from Winboard times I have on backup CDs.

For the moment I have not time for it, but I am quit sure that I will do that later.

The big deal.
All what's development in computer chess will be never lose.

Thank you!
Have a nice day and reagards to Spain.

Best
Frank

carldaman · Post by **carldaman** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:54 pm

Intresting lists, Frank.

Do you know anything about Voyager?

lkaufman · Post by **lkaufman** » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:29 pm

Frank Quisinsky wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:43 pm Hi there,

I believe this was the last version of "Winboard rating list", a long time before CEGT or CCRL started!

The good and olt times!
Djordje and myself in background contact a lot of programmers for make Winboard more and more interesting!
With Kai and Christian Koch we played many nice tournaments and Tim Mann have bigger problems
to add all the information about new engines on his site.

I will added the games, later this day in my download selection.
Sure, million of chess peoples have interest to download this material for Stockfish tunings??!

Bob Hyatt was not a big fan from Bionic if I remember!
That's going too far.

Best
Frank

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WB KSQ                  --> 3041 Games <--                     16:42 09.06.99
*****************************************************************************
   Kai Skibbe (Hamburg), Christian Koch (Hamburg), Frank Quisinsky (Trier)
40 moves / 40 minutes, ponder = off, AMD K6-2 333/400 MHz, Celeron 450 MHz !!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
for Fritz 5-32 ELO calculation,                  58.750 : 25 = 2350 (  0 ELO)
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01. Zarkov              4.5e-4.5g            2516 ELO   284 Games   USA  2525
02. Crafty              15.18-16.10          2480 ELO   422 Games   USA  2575
03. Comet               A95-B03              2441 ELO   416 Games   GER  2450
03. Phalanx             17-21                2441 ELO   392 Games   TCH  2450
05. Voyager             2.29-5.03            2430 ELO   326 Games   SUI  2425
06. Nimzo               2000                 2425 ELO   190 Games   AUT  2425
07. Bionic Impakt       4.01                 2424 ELO   190 Games   BEL  2425
08. Patzer              2.99zp-3.0           2409 ELO   424 Games   GER  2400
09. Gromit              2.11x-2.16           2400 ELO   293 Games   GER  2400
10. AnMon               4.09-4.22            2392 ELO   232 Games   FRA  2400
11. ZChess              1.2                  2374 ELO   180 Games   FRA  2375
12. Francesca           0.63-0.68c           2373 ELO   242 Games   ENG  2375
13. The Crazy Bishop    37-43                2358 ELO   358 Games   FRA  2350
14. Little Goliath      1.05-1.41a           2350 ELO   316 Games   GER  2350
15. Bringer             1.2-1.4      !PLAY!  2340 ELO    81 Games   GER  2325
16. Arasan              5.1-5.1a     !NEW!   2324 ELO   170 Games   USA  2325
17. Ant                 3.42-3.61            2281 ELO   186 Games   NDL  2275
18. LambChop            6.9-7.1              2270 ELO   180 Games   ZEA  2275
19. Stobor              B.32-B.56            2256 ELO   218 Games   USA  2250
20. Dragon              3.11         !NEW!   2199 ELO   172 Games   FRA  2200
21. ExChess             2.46-2.51            2187 ELO   250 Games   USA  2175
22. La Dame Blanche     2.0-2.0c     !NEW!   2122 ELO   120 Games   FRA  2125
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--. Bionic Impakt       4.11                 2361 ELO   110 Games   BEL  2375
--. Gromit              2.0-2.1              2288 ELO   106 Games   GER  2300
--. ZChess              0.92-1.0             2288 ELO   224 Games   FRA  2300
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Back then the engines were evenly matched with strong human players, so I imagine that the level of the rating list was pretty accurate in human terms, assuming some effort was made to make the level of the list realistic. Crafty 15/16 is at 2480 on what we would now consider pathetic hardware. But on the current CCRL 40/15 list, the lowest Crafty, 20.11, is only at 2502 on vastly superior hardware. If the old rating was accurate in human terms, a very much improved Crafty on maybe ten times as fast hardware should easily be over 2700 in human terms. But I think you believe, as do I, that engines with ratings like 2500 or so on the current CCRL list are actually overrated vs. humans. So what is the explanation? Could it really be that many modern engines which would beat the old ones easily are actually weaker vs. humans? If so this really shakes confidence in engine vs engine rating lists. Or have ratings of humans actually deflated by hundreds of elo in two decades? Or something else?

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