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Top Engines 1990-2020 Video

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Re: Top Engines 1990-2020 Video

Post by Vinvin » Wed May 20, 2020 4:55 pm

Nice video !
But I don't remember Fritz being 100 elo over other programs around 1998 as the video shows.
On the SSDF list all engines was about equal during this period : http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 08#p701908

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Post by Dann Corbit » Fri May 22, 2020 2:12 am

I wonder if those three engines really are stronger than Alpha Zero
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Re: Top Engines 1990-2020 Video

Post by Werewolf » Fri May 22, 2020 3:53 am

Dann Corbit wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:12 am
I wonder if those three engines really are stronger than Alpha Zero
Stronger than it was.

They may have improved it since, but if they hide that that’s not our fault for assuming the best they have was what they revealed.

I’m having a similar frustration with SC2. While its play last year was very impressive - and it did genuinely achieve Grandmaster strength - it wasn’t world beating.
Some are saying the project is now abandoned because they got their news headline: AlphaStar is a Grandmaster.

That feels pretty similar to how they dealt with Stockfish.

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Re: Top Engines 1990-2020 Video

Post by Vinvin » Fri May 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:12 am
I wonder if those three engines really are stronger than Alpha Zero
IIRC, there was 3 communication from the AZ team about match against SF :
1) against SF8 : +100 Elo "AlphaZero won 25 games as White, won 3 as Black, and drew the remaining 72"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

Some months later with an improved version :
2) agasint SF9 : +~170 Elo "AlphaZero won 290, drew 886 and lost 24"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

Some months later with Alpha Zero version :
3) against SF8 ? : +~330 Elo "In a 1000-game match, AlphaZero won with a score of 155 wins to 6 losses, with the rest drawn."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

But for a match SF vs NN, you have to chose which hardware you want to use for SF and which hardware for NN.

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Re: Top Engines 1990-2020 Video

Post by Vinvin » Fri May 22, 2020 3:23 pm

Vinvin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:32 pm
Dann Corbit wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:12 am
I wonder if those three engines really are stronger than Alpha Zero
IIRC, there was 3 communication from the AZ team about match against SF :
1) against SF8 : +100 Elo "AlphaZero won 25 games as White, won 3 as Black, and drew the remaining 72"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

Some months later with an improved version :
2) agasint SF9 : +~170 Elo "AlphaZero won 290, drew 886 and lost 24"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

Some months later with Alpha Zero version :
3) against SF8 ? : +~330 Elo "In a 1000-game match, AlphaZero won with a score of 155 wins to 6 losses, with the rest drawn."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#Chess_2

But for a match SF vs NN, you have to chose which hardware you want to use for SF and which hardware for NN.
Correction, I'm not sure anymore about the chronology :
https://www.chess.com/news/view/updated ... game-match
https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alpha ... ogi-and-go

Correction is welcome :-)

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