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Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:24 pm
by swissman
Hi chessfriends
Is there a program or tool that can be used to automatically analyze chess games with variants and meaningful comments?
Regards
Kurt
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:28 pm
by Nordlandia
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:37 am
by swissman
In the meantime I have tested
- Arena 3.5 GUI
- ChessBase 14 GUI
- Chess Game Analyzer (Tool)
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Ferdinand_Mosca
- Creatica Chess Game Analyzer for MS Windows by Arkadi Poliakevitch
- Deep Shredder GUI
- Fritz 17 GUI
- Hiarcs Chess Explorer GUI
- LiChess GUI
- SCID
and found that none of the above GUI's / tools give chess beginners much help in learning better chess; the annotated comments are of almost no use. But all the tested programs/tools are suitable to find tactical blunders whereby the quality of the analysis depends on the engine used. But one thing is for sure: the Creatica Chess Game Analyzer for MS Windows by Arkadi Poliakevitch is the very best of all considering how fast it works (I guess at least 10 x faster than any other chess game analyzer).
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:55 am
by AdminX
Don't forget to take a look at decodechess.com
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:51 pm
by swissman
AdminX wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:55 am
Don't forget to take a look at decodechess.com
Never heard of DecodChess before but it seems to be a great project. For my purposes I need an output (PGN) of the analysed DecodeChess game. I suspect that this feature is missing.
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:18 pm
by daniel71
I like using the Chessbase analysis feature in Fritz, I use 10 minutes a move and leave it overnight. I just purchased Fritz 17 and Powerbook 2020 and just got the full 6-piece Syzygy Tablebases downloaded so I can look at how the new Fritz 17 GUI will analyze my games. I would expect Komodo to do very well to analyze and I'm waiting on Komodo 14 to buy. Download Stockfish as a second opinion.
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:35 pm
by swissman
daniel71 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:18 pm
I like using the Chessbase analysis feature in Fritz, I use 10 minutes a move and leave it overnight. I just purchased Fritz 17 and Powerbook 2020 and just got the full 6-piece Syzygy Tablebases downloaded so I can look at how the new Fritz 17 GUI will analyze my games. I would expect Komodo to do very well to analyze and I'm waiting on Komodo 14 to buy. Download Stockfish as a second opinion.
The problem I am talking about is that such analysis contain only blunders and better variations but give nothing helpful for people to learn something why move x is stronger than move y.
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:02 am
by Ponti
Such a tool does not exist.
I'm a long-time user of Fritz - but it is a matter of taste IMHO - though it is not perfect and requires a lot of human intervention to become useful.
There's no replacement for analysing with a master, if that is what you mean... he/she can spot your weaknesses and show you the plans in a given position, or tell you the ideas behind a specific endgame position. At least in 2020 there's no program that analyses this way.
Most of the plans in the middlegame are given by the pawn structure, for exemple. I dont't know any program that tells you when you have to play for the minority attack, gives you the ideas behind a maroczy structure or an isolated d-pawn, you have to spot that alone. Using a database you can learn that, although it is easier wirh a book or a chess trainer...
Sometimes using the " verbose" option of Fritz it writes some useful insights, like "
black is behind in development" , but it doesn't add "so you should open lines and attack black's King". In the endgame it just shows variations, most of the times... it never tells you "this is a won rook ending because the King is cut off by 2 columns". It would be nice!!
Re: Analysing chess games automatically
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:42 pm
by swissman
Ponti wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:02 am
Such a tool does not exist.
I'm a long-time user of Fritz - but it is a matter of taste IMHO - though it is not perfect and requires a lot of human intervention to become useful.
There's no replacement for analysing with a master, if that is what you mean... he/she can spot your weaknesses and show you the plans in a given position, or tell you the ideas behind a specific endgame position. At least in 2020 there's no program that analyses this way.
Most of the plans in the middlegame are given by the pawn structure, for exemple. I dont't know any program that tells you when you have to play for the minority attack, gives you the ideas behind a maroczy structure or an isolated d-pawn, you have to spot that alone. Using a database you can learn that, although it is easier wirh a book or a chess trainer...
Sometimes using the " verbose" option of Fritz it writes some useful insights, like "
black is behind in development" , but it doesn't add "so you should open lines and attack black's King". In the endgame it just shows variations, most of the times... it never tells you "this is a won rook ending because the King is cut off by 2 columns". It would be nice!!
Good answer: You've got it down to a point