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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by corres » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:22 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:18 pm
Uri wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:09 pm
Like I said before chess is for very rich people.
Because who else can afford to buy these super-expensive graphics cards and super-expensive computer motherboards if not very rich people?
Only rich people can become very good at chess because only rich people can afford to buy all these super-expensive computer stuff.
But you don't need any of that to become very good at chess.
You are a chess player from the Stone Age.

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by Ovyron » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:07 pm

Old school, man, old school.

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by corres » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:16 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:07 pm
Old school, man, old school.
In the old school you was not educated against chess engines even for using chess engines either.
A lot of real old school chess player abandoned CC play before 2000's years. Fearing from computers and/or lacking enough money.

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by mmt » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:40 am

Uri wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:22 pm
Ovyron wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:18 pm
But you don't need any of that to become very good at chess.
Wrong. Some people really need it.
Are you talking about GM-level here? I could see it for correspondence chess but how would even 10 times faster hardware matter otherwise?

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by Ovyron » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:54 am

Yes.

Also, imagine that several years ago technology halted and nobody in the world would have access to anything stronger than what now can be bought for cheap. Would that mean nobody in the world can become very good at chess? That doesn't make sense!

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by mmt » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:06 am

By the way, a used GTX 1060 is around $150 in the U.S. and that should be enough to greatly exceed any human's abilities, including positional (if that makes sense still) with LC0. I don't think this qualifies as expensive. And any cheap CPU will make SF way better than the best humans if you want to go deep in any position to find "tactics."

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Re: Tests with kiudee settings and SV-384x30-T60-2900net

Post by Zenmastur » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:32 pm

mmt wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:06 am
By the way, a used GTX 1060 is around $150 in the U.S. and that should be enough to greatly exceed any human's abilities, including positional (if that makes sense still) with LC0. I don't think this qualifies as expensive. And any cheap CPU will make SF way better than the best humans if you want to go deep in any position to find "tactics."
Agreed!
Uri wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:22 pm
Ovyron wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:18 pm
But you don't need any of that to become very good at chess.
Wrong. Some people really need it.
Uri,

If you really want a better system you can build one on a budget. In the US it can be done on the cheap with all new hardware. In other countries it will likely be a little more expensive than if built in the US. But, it will still be cheaper than buying one AND you get to pick the most appropriat parts for your needs! If you buy it pre-built it will, of course, be more expensive.

For long time control analysis the most important thing is getting enough RAM. The more the better. It doesn't have to be the fastest RAM. It's more important to have a lot of it. Even more important than the speed of the CPU. If you also want to run Lc0 at a "reasonably" fast speed then an RTX graphics card is a must at least for the bigger nets. A new RTX 2060 can be had at about $300. Like mmt pointed out a used one can be found for less. It's “REALLY” not that hard to build a system. It might be a little stressful if you haven't done it before, but when you are finished it will be worth it. If you want help picking parts to put a system together there are plenty of people on this board that can help.

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