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Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Roland Chastain » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:11 am

Hello!

I am looking for opening books in the same format that the one used by TSCP:

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g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 b7b6 g2g3
g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 c7c5 b1c3 b8c6
...
I have found this discussion but unfortunately all the links are dead.

Would you have books like this to share?

If it is in SAN it can also interest me.

Thank you.

Roland

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by phhnguyen » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:14 am

Roland Chastain wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:11 am
Hello!

I am looking for opening books in the same format that the one used by TSCP:

Code: Select all

g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 b7b6 g2g3
g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 c7c5 b1c3 b8c6
...
I have found this discussion but unfortunately all the links are dead.

Would you have books like this to share?

If it is in SAN it can also interest me.

Thank you.

Roland
If you can read/parse SAN moves, it means you can read/parse easily a PGN file with multi-games!

I suggest you use opening books in PGN format - they are just multi-games PGN files. It is a kind of standard but not TSCP books and you can find easily many PGN books on the Internet.

If you still want TSCP ones, just convert from PGN books, it is a simple task too.
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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Roland Chastain » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:43 am

phhnguyen wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:14 am
If you can read/parse SAN moves, it means you can read/parse easily a PGN file with multi-games!

I suggest you use opening books in PGN format - they are just multi-games PGN files. It is a kind of standard but not TSCP books and you can find easily many PGN books on the Internet.

If you still want TSCP ones, just convert from PGN books, it is a simple task too.
Thank you for your answer. It was not clear for me that the PGN format could be used for an opening book. So I will try what you suggest. It will be the occasion to test my PGN reader.

By the way, I found another book in TSCP format. It's the book of Aristarch.

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Anton » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:24 pm

Roland Chastain wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:11 am
Hello!

I am looking for opening books in the same format that the one used by TSCP:

Code: Select all

g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 b7b6 g2g3
g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 c7c5 b1c3 b8c6
...
I have found this discussion but unfortunately all the links are dead.

Would you have books like this to share?

If it is in SAN it can also interest me.

Thank you.

Roland
You might find the utility pgn-extract helpful.

https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/djb/pgn-extract/

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Ras » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:44 pm

The CT800 has such a book format, though a bit modified. A trailing '?' indicates a bad move as usual, and 'x' indicates a move that's not bad but doesn't really fit the engine style. It has around 23k moves in 13k positions. Note that it isn't optimised for strength, but variety.

The book is compiled into a custom binary format that allows transpositions. The tool for that is also in the downloads, along with a technical description in the documentation directory.
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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Roland Chastain » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:47 pm

Anton wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:24 pm
You might find the utility pgn-extract helpful.
Yes, indeed. I had never tried it, and I didn't imagine that it could do that. Thank you!

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pgn-extract -TwFischer -ofischerw.pgn --nosetuptags --plylimit 16 --nomovenumbers --noresults --notags -Wlalg --nochecks -w1000 fischer60games.pgn

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Roland Chastain » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:49 pm

Ras wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:44 pm
The CT800 has such a book format, though a bit modified. A trailing '?' indicates a bad move as usual, and 'x' indicates a move that's not bad but doesn't really fit the engine style. It has around 23k moves in 13k positions. Note that it isn't optimised for strength, but variety.

The book is compiled into a custom binary format that allows transpositions. The tool for that is also in the downloads, along with a technical description in the documentation directory.
Very interesting. I will take a look. Thank you!

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Guenther » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:55 pm

Roland Chastain wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:11 am
Hello!

I am looking for opening books in the same format that the one used by TSCP:

Code: Select all

g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 b7b6 g2g3
g1f3 g8f6 c2c4 c7c5 b1c3 b8c6
...
I have found this discussion but unfortunately all the links are dead.

Would you have books like this to share?

If it is in SAN it can also interest me.

Thank you.

Roland
Well somehow I need the name for this move notation format in English for another task, but I cannot remember the usual name for it.
IIRC it is not long algebraic notation, because I think this also would specify the piece?
Like Ng8f6 or even 1.Ng8f6, so what is g8f6 called officially?

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Re: Looking for opening books in TSCP format

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:22 pm

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/UCIProtocol.html
Long algebraic is what the UCI format calls it.

Handy for computers but ugly, ugly, ugly.
SAN is so much easier to read for humans.
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