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Elo - elo - ELO

Post by smatovic » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:11 am

Just for the record, the Elo chess rating system is named after Arpad Elo, I
think we should show a little respect and write his name in the right way - Elo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpad_Elo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by Ovyron » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:53 pm

How is spelling his name is ALL CAPS lack of respect?

We're not talking about his surname anymore, we're talking about the system that is called the same, so intentions should be considered first, and I don't think anybody has every intended to show a lack of respect for elo, regardless of the capitalization.

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by smatovic » Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:49 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:53 pm
How is spelling his name is ALL CAPS lack of respect?

We're not talking about his surname anymore, we're talking about the system that is called the same, so intentions should be considered first, and I don't think anybody has every intended to show a lack of respect for elo, regardless of the capitalization.
Sure, if you intend to shout his name then use uppercase letters.

To write someone's name the wrong may, while knowing the right, is imo a lack of respect. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by Gabor Szots » Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:16 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:53 pm
How is spelling his name is ALL CAPS lack of respect?
I agree that it is not lack of respect. It is ignorance.
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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by Ovyron » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:24 pm

Gabor Szots wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:16 pm
I agree that it is not lack of respect. It is ignorance.
No, I've always known about this, and still say "ELO."

The ignorant people are those that think we're talking about a surname (which should be "Elo"), while we're talking about the system (which can be capitalized whichever way we want without showing lack of respect.)

The problem here is people that get offended over the littlest things, I guess ELO's spelling is having its turn now :roll:

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by smatovic » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:13 pm

Okay, I revoke my statement. Just looked up an realized that in English it is
usual to use lowercase letters for ampere, watt, newton, etc. when referring as
units. My bad.

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by Gabor Szots » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:27 am

smatovic wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:13 pm
Okay, I revoke my statement. Just looked up an realized that in English it is
usual to use lowercase letters for ampere, watt, newton, etc. when referring as
units. My bad.

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But they are never spelled AMPERE, WATT, NEWTON.
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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by smatovic » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:49 am

I do not want to force anybody into a norm ;)

I guess continental Europe will continue to use Elo, English speakers already
started to use elo, and some people just wish to capitalize...

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by crem » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:04 am

Unlike "ampere, watt, newton, etc.", Elo is not a unit of measure, it's a name of a rating system.

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Re: Elo - elo - ELO

Post by MikeB » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:47 pm

crem wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:04 am
Unlike "ampere, watt, newton, etc.", Elo is not a unit of measure, it's a name of a rating system.
It has become both , people talking about gaining or losing elo all the time. So maybe it should be lower case when used in that context and upper case when when talking about the rating system. For those of us who remember when Arpad was alive, it's not natural to use his name in lower case - even for me in the above sentence.

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