[d]3k4/1p3b2/1Pp3p1/2Pp1p2/3P1P2/8/4K1N1/8 w - - 0 1
Win or draw
I created this postion and Sting says Ok this is win but any other engine have 0 as eval even after 2 hours
Is a Sting bug or there is really a way to win ?
I really need to know the way to win, if this is true. thanks.
Analysis by Sting 19 (based on Stockfish 2.1.1) 64bit:
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1.Ne1
+- (2.67 ++) Depth: 52 01:04:59 50651MN
1.Ne1
+- (4.04 ++) Depth: 52 01:30:52 69036MN
1.Ne1
+- (6.09 ++) Depth: 52 01:31:43 69507MN
1.Kf2
+- (9.16 ++) Depth: 52 01:33:10 70206MN
1.Kf2
+- (13.77 ++) Depth: 52 01:36:36 72183MN
1.Ke3
+- (20.69 ++) Depth: 52 01:53:17 81565MN
Position : Win or Draw ?
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
Easy. Play Sting moves for white, play moves from other engines for black, and see if Sting can prove the win it claims is there.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
It is what I have done, and no solution after several moves.
If this is easy could you give me moves and plan for winning ?
If this is easy could you give me moves and plan for winning ?
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
I said this experiment is easy to run. Not that I ran it, I have not.
Why stop after several moves ? The point of such an experiment is to continue it until you reach a draw or a win (or at least, get Sting to think it's a draw or SF/Leela to think it's a win). A few moves with Sting still claiming a win and Stockfish or Leela still claiming a draw are not enough to know anything.
Why stop after several moves ? The point of such an experiment is to continue it until you reach a draw or a win (or at least, get Sting to think it's a draw or SF/Leela to think it's a win). A few moves with Sting still claiming a win and Stockfish or Leela still claiming a draw are not enough to know anything.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
No because sting evaluation becomes incoherent during the moves. Sometimes 0 then 4 and 1 and 9 and 1.3 ...
Any other engines see 0.
Any other engines see 0.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
Do you ever get a pv with the sting plan for one of the big scores?
If so, you should be able to follow the pv and see what Sting is thinking.
That will probably tell you if Sting is just blowing smoke.
If so, you should be able to follow the pv and see what Sting is thinking.
That will probably tell you if Sting is just blowing smoke.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
My guess is also that the position is just drawn and Sting is dreaming.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
Many of you can't understand that searching doesn't return the result (excluding mate score).
If you want to know the result try "auto-playing" or playing.
If you want to know the result try "auto-playing" or playing.
Maybe, I can't be friendly, but let me be useful.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
I am pretty sure sure this is draw, because on move after and after Sting gives inconcistent evaluation even after one hour.
someone could give me autoplaying result ?
In Fritz GUI, how to enable it ?
Thanks.
someone could give me autoplaying result ?
In Fritz GUI, how to enable it ?
Thanks.
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Re: Position : Win or Draw ?
How about this one:
[d]3k4/1p3n2/1Pp3p1/2Pp1p2/3P1P2/4P3/4K1N1/8 w - - 0 1
[d]3k4/1p3n2/1Pp3p1/2Pp1p2/3P1P2/4P3/4K1N1/8 w - - 0 1