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The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:09 pm
by Father
The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 2019

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:27 pm
by Father
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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 am
by Ovyron
I still don't see increment and I'm still not impressed.

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:54 am
by karger
I have never been impressed by any of his posts ... Boring ...

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:09 am
by Ovyron
I was at first, I looked at him in awe and wished one day I could lock up positions like that, because if I could, I would become unbeatable.

And then I found out it was just lag and GUI bugs, something that increment can compensate for, and the magic was gone.

But the magic could be back! He just needs to repeat his feats with increment. Or maybe he can't...

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:35 am
by EroSennin
Ovyron wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:09 am
I was at first, I looked at him in awe and wished one day I could lock up positions like that, because if I could, I would become unbeatable.

And then I found out it was just lag and GUI bugs, something that increment can compensate for, and the magic was gone.

But the magic could be back! He just needs to repeat his feats with increment. Or maybe he can't...
I see bad engine moves. Would a little bit of more time really change them?

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:39 am
by Ovyron
EroSennin wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:35 am
I see bad engine moves. Would a little bit of more time really change them?
Yes. Father wouldn't be able to win his games if there was increment, because he's abusing GUI bugs and lag to do what he does, if increment was set to compensate for GUI bugs and lag, he wouldn't be able to do it.

And if he was able to do it that'd be amazing and truly remarkable, because who else is able to go into some 3 +1 time control against an engine on Playchess and get a draw?

I've been saying this for a while now, so I suspect Father tried and failed, so he went back to zero increment games, the only thing where he can abuse engines.

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:28 am
by Uri Blass
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:39 am
EroSennin wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:35 am
I see bad engine moves. Would a little bit of more time really change them?
Yes. Father wouldn't be able to win his games if there was increment, because he's abusing GUI bugs and lag to do what he does, if increment was set to compensate for GUI bugs and lag, he wouldn't be able to do it.

And if he was able to do it that'd be amazing and truly remarkable, because who else is able to go into some 3 +1 time control against an engine on Playchess and get a draw?

I've been saying this for a while now, so I suspect Father tried and failed, so he went back to zero increment games, the only thing where he can abuse engines.
The second game is with no increment(5+0) but Father got a draw not because of GUI bugs.
The depths in the last moves are above 20 plies and the last pawn computer move 169.b5 is 31 plies and I believe that it is impossible to win at that point of the game.

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:00 am
by Ovyron
You can see the engine having to move instantly or within a second to keep up with the clock. Without lag every engine move could have been played with 1 second more. Father wouldn't have been able to draw that game if it was in person (not over the internet) or with increment. And if he could, why doesn't he just go and play an increment game and prove it?

(still looks to me that it's a game drawing lag)

Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:36 am
by EroSennin
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:00 am
You can see the engine having to move instantly or within a second to keep up with the clock. Without lag every engine move could have been played with 1 second more. Father wouldn't have been able to draw that game if it was in person (not over the internet) or with increment. And if he could, why doesn't he just go and play an increment game and prove it?

(still looks to me that it's a game drawing lag)
Still, if Carlsen was in his place, he would lose all his games