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Re: Fritz 17

Post by Paloma » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:27 am

In no case.
I know that exactly

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by shrapnel » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:34 am

Is it possible to buy Fat Fritz as a standalone NN Engine ? I'm only interested in the NN part.
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Re: Fritz 17

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by Ozymandias » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:43 am

dkappe wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:06 pm
The people to whom you sold copies of GPL software are just as free as you are to make copies and sell them for whatever price they feel is right, including a price equal to zero.
Of course the network weights are not covered by the GPL but by whatever license ChessBase applies to it.
Of course? If you need GPL software (modified) to obtain them, how can they be outside the purview of the GPL license? Shouldn't it be possible to sell them back, as stated in the quoted text?

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by Harvey Williamson » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:57 am

This could be a clue as to what will be the engine in fritz 17
https://chesstroid.blogspot.com/2017/11 ... ngine.html

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by OneTrickPony » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:27 pm


Of course? If you need GPL software (modified) to obtain them, how can they be outside the purview of the GPL license? Shouldn't it be possible to sell them back, as stated in the quoted text?
The same way documents created with Libre Office aren't covered by GPL or programs compiled with GCC aren't automatically GPL'ed. GPL applies to software not to things created with it.

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by Ozymandias » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:16 pm

OneTrickPony wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:27 pm

Of course? If you need GPL software (modified) to obtain them, how can they be outside the purview of the GPL license? Shouldn't it be possible to sell them back, as stated in the quoted text?
The same way documents created with Libre Office aren't covered by GPL or programs compiled with GCC aren't automatically GPL'ed. GPL applies to software not to things created with it.
You can create office documents with many different programs.

You can compile with one of several options.

What office suites and compilers have in common, is the vast variety of end results you obtain when working with them. Lc0's GPL'ed software, on the other hand, has... how many different outcomes? Or the other way around, how many programs can generate chess NN weights?

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by maxdeg » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:07 pm

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:57 am
This could be a clue as to what will be the engine in fritz 17
https://chesstroid.blogspot.com/2017/11 ... ngine.html
2 x abaci or abacuses .. :mrgreen: :D

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by dkappe » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:43 am
dkappe wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:06 pm
The people to whom you sold copies of GPL software are just as free as you are to make copies and sell them for whatever price they feel is right, including a price equal to zero.
Of course the network weights are not covered by the GPL but by whatever license ChessBase applies to it.
Of course? If you need GPL software (modified) to obtain them, how can they be outside the purview of the GPL license? Shouldn't it be possible to sell them back, as stated in the quoted text?
Without getting into a long legal wrangling, it’s analogous to documents or spreadsheets written with GPL software, or even code that is compiled with a GPL’d compiler. They aren’t covered by the GPL.

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Re: Fritz 17

Post by Ozymandias » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:30 pm

dkappe wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:43 am
dkappe wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:06 pm
The people to whom you sold copies of GPL software are just as free as you are to make copies and sell them for whatever price they feel is right, including a price equal to zero.
Of course the network weights are not covered by the GPL but by whatever license ChessBase applies to it.
Of course? If you need GPL software (modified) to obtain them, how can they be outside the purview of the GPL license? Shouldn't it be possible to sell them back, as stated in the quoted text?
Without getting into a long legal wrangling, it’s analogous to documents or spreadsheets written with GPL software, or even code that is compiled with a GPL’d compiler. They aren’t covered by the GPL.
It's a bad analogy. In addition to what I already explained, you need this particular GPL software to make any use of the weights, at all.

Legal discussions surely have a little bit of internal coherence. So, what would make anyone place Lc0 on the same category as an office suite?

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