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Vinvin
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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Vinvin » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Jouni wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:04 pm
I tested Houdini 6 tactical with 5 min limit and i5/4 cores. Result
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Total solved: 146/211

My quess is, that score will be 160-170 with your hardware/conditions.
Thanks Jouni !

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Vinvin » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:51 am

Vinvin wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:50 am
Paloma wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:30 pm
Paloma wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:56 pm
Some doubts about this: (Nr.31 in the list)

Kasparov,G - Karpov,A 1-0, 1987
2bqrr1k/p5b1/1p1p2pp/nPpBp3/P1P1N2P/3PN1P1/R4P1K/3Q1R2 w - - 0 1

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Hmm...
Depth 39 finished, 3Cpu @3.4 GHz, 8192 MB
Analysis by Crystal 260819 64 POPCNT:

1. +- (2.21): 38.Nc3 Bb7 39.Qg4 Bxd5 40.Ncxd5 Kh7 41.f4 h5 42.Qh3 exf4 43.gxf4 Nb3 44.f5 Nd4 45.Rg2 gxf5 46.Rg5 Re6 47.Nxf5 Re2+ 48.Kh1 Nxf5 49.Rfxf5 Qe8 50.Rxh5+ Kg8 51.Rxf8+ Qxf8 52.Rf5 Re1+ 53.Kg2 Qe8 54.Qg4 Qe2+
2. +/- (1.53): 38.h5 g5 39.g4 Bb7 40.Ng3 Rf4 41.Bxb7 Nxb7 42.Nd5 Ref8 43.Kg2 Rd4 44.f3 Qd7 45.Ne2 Rxd5 46.cxd5 Qf7 47.Qc2 Qxd5 48.Qc4 Qf7 49.Qxf7 Rxf7 50.Ng3 Rf4 51.Nf5 Bf8 52.Rb1 Kg8 53.Kg3 Na5 54.Rbb2 Kh7 55.d4 Nc4

Depth 40 finished, 3Cpu @3.4 GHz, 8192 MB
Analysis by Crystal 260819 64 POPCNT:

1. +- (2.07): 38.Nc3 Qd7 39.Be4 Qe6 40.Kg1 Re7 41.h5 g5 42.g4 Qf7 43.Ncd5 Rb7 44.Nf5 Rd7 45.Kg2 Qe8 46.Nfe3 Qd8 47.Bg6 Bb7 48.Rh1 Rf4 49.Bf5 Rf7 50.Be4 Bxd5 51.Bxd5 Rc7 52.Re1 Re7 53.Nf5 Rc7 54.Be4 Rd7 55.f3 d5
2. +- (1.78): 38.h5 g5 39.Nc3 Be6 40.Bxe6 Rxe6 41.Qg4 Ref6 42.Ne4 R6f7 43.Ra3 Nb7 44.Kg2 Qe8 45.Nd5 Rf3 46.Nd2 R3f7 47.Ra2 Rf5 48.Ne4 Rf3 49.Rd2 R3f5 50.Rb1 Qd8 51.Ra2 Na5 52.Rf1 Rf3 53.Ne3 Qe7 54.Qxf3 Rxf3
Depth 55 is here for 1.5 year :
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 58#p757858
Depth 55 with 3 best moves (after 8 hours), eval for Nc3 continues to climb (2.10, 2.29, 2.46, 2.55) :
I still has some doubts about this position.
With my first analyses some years ago, I thought 38.h5 is not good because the position becomes blocked on the king side.
But a couple of weeks ago I started a game SF vs itself after 38.h5 and white wins anyway.

I'm asking for help here, to know if it's possible for black to draw after 38.h5?!
2bqrr1k/p5b1/1p1p2pp/nPpBp2P/P1P1N3/3PN1P1/R4P1K/3Q1R2 b - - 0 1
I would be glad if someone could play black with LC0 (equivalent or better than 5 min per move on an GTX 1080 Ti) against SF (equivalent or better than 5 min per move on an 4*3Ghz) to know if it's possible to draw with black. Thanks !

Another thing, I plan to add one more position to the set :
1rb1qrk1/2b2pp1/p3pBn1/3pP1Pp/1ppP4/2P1QN2/PP3P1P/R2BR1K1 w - - bm Nh4 from here http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... =2&t=72321

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:39 pm

It seems likely to be a draw. No progress after quite a few plies. But it is not certain.
Searching: 0 1

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infinite: 0 time: 0 increment: 0 moves to go: 0

 1   -1.06   00:00    5065  Qd7 hxg6 
 2   -1.39   00:00   18067  Bf5 Rd2 
 3   -1.30   00:00   37014  Bf5 Kg1 gxh5 
 4   -1.69   00:00   54826  g5 Re1 Qe7 Rd2 
 5   -1.80   00:00   73984  gxh5 Qxh5 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 
 6   -1.88   00:00   89943  g5 Re1 Qe7 Kg2 Bd7 f3 
 7   -1.45   00:00  129227  Bf5 hxg6 Bxg6 Qg4 Bh7 
 8   -1.86   00:00  151034  Bf5 Rh1 g5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Rd2 Ref8 
 9   -1.97   00:00  229503  g5 f3 Qe7 Qb1 Qd7 Ng4 Qe7 Re2 
10   -1.94   00:00  270275  g5 f3 Qe7 Qb1 Bd7 Re2 Bf5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Kg2 
11   -2.05   00:00  404136  g5 Re1 Qe7 Kg2 Bd7 f3 Kh7 Rae2 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 g4 
12   -2.12   00:00  647732  g5 Re2 Bf5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Kg2 Qd7 f3 Ref8 Rff2 Re8 Qc2 Rff8 Re3 
13   -2.11   00:00  999698  g5 Re1 Bf5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Kg2 Qe7 g4 Rf4 Ng3 Qf8 Be4 Re6 Nf5 Bf6 Rh1 Bd8 
14   -2.09   00:00   1388K  g5 Re1 Qc7 f3 Rd8 Rf2 Rde8 Qb1 Qe7 Ree2 Bf5 Nxf5 Rxf5 Kg2 
15   -2.16   00:00   1868K  g5 f3 Qd7 Re1 Qe7 Kg1 Qc7 Rf2 Qe7 Ree2 Qd8 g4 Qc7 Ng3 Rf6 
16   -2.14   00:00   2172K  g5 f3 Qd7 Kg2 Qe7 Re2 Qd8 Kh2 Qc7 Rff2 Qd8 Kg1 Qe7 g4 Qd8 Ng3 Rf6 
17   -2.18   00:00   2536K  g5 f3 Qd7 Kg2 Qe7 Re1 Qd8 Rf2 Qd7 g4 Qe7 Ng3 Rf6 Be4 Be6 Ngf5 Bxf5 Nxf5 
18   -2.17   00:00   2776K  g5 Re1 Qd7 f3 Qc7 Rf2 Qd7 Kg2 Qd8 Rfe2 Qe7 g4 Qd8 Ng3 Rf4 Be4 Ref8 Bf5 Bb7 Ne4 
19   -2.29   00:00   4385K  g5 f3 Qd7 Kg1 Qc7 Re1 Qe7 Rf2 Qd8 Kg2 Qe7 Ree2 Qd8 g4 Rf4 Ng3 Ref8 Be4 Be6 Bf5 Bxf5 Nexf5 
20   -1.79   00:00   7447K  g5 Kg2 Qd7 f3 Bb7 g4 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rf7 Rff2 Nb7 Ra1 Ref8 Qc1 Qd8 Qb2 Qd7 Qa3 
21   -1.70   00:01  10032K  g5 f3 Bb7 Kg2 Qd7 Ra1 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rf7 Qc2 Ref8 g4 Nb7 Qa2 Nd8 a5 Ne6 axb6 axb6 Nxb6 Nf4+ Kh2 Qd8 Nd5 Nxd5 
22   -1.69   00:01  17045K  g5 Kg1 Qd7 Re1 Rd8 g4 Rf4 Ng3 Rdf8 Rd2 Rxg4 Qxg4 Qxg4 Nxg4 Bxg4 Rb1 e4 Bxe4 Bc3 Rc2 Be5 Bd5 Kh7 Kg2 Kg7 Be4 Bxg3 fxg3 
23   -1.70   00:02  21230K  g5 g4 Bb7 Ng3 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qd7 Re1 Rf7 Nf5 Ref8 Kg1 Kh7 Nde3 Kh8 Ra3 Nb7 Qf3 Nd8 a5 Ne6 axb6 axb6 Ra6 Rb8 Qg2 Nf4 Qe4 Rff8 Nd5 Nxd5 
24   -1.76   00:02  24642K  g5 Kg2 Qd7 Kg1 Rd8 g4 Bb7 Ng3 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rf7 Re1 Kh7 Kg2 Rdf8 Nf5 Rxf5 gxf5 Qxf5 Re4 Qf7 Re3 Qd7 Rg3 Rf7 Qg4 Qxg4 Rxg4 Nb3 Re4 Nd4 a5 bxa5 
25   -1.78   00:03  34170K  g5 Kg1 Qd7 Re1 Rd8 g4 Rf4 Ng3 Rdf8 Rd2 Rxg4 Qxg4 Qxg4 Nxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Ne4 Nb3 Rf2 Be8 Rh2 Nd4 Nxd6 e4 Rxe4 Nxf3+ Kg2 Ne5 d4 cxd4 Rxd4 Bf7 Bxf7 Nxf7 
26   -1.51   00:05  57162K  g5 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Bb7 Bxb7 Nxb7 Nd5 Rf7 Kg1 Rd8 Kh2 Re8 f3 Ref8 Rff2 Re8 Kg1 Ref8 Kg2 Na5 Ra1 Nb7 Rf1 Na5 Qc2 
27   -1.88   00:08  84890K  g5 g4 Bb7 Ng3 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qd7 Kg2 Rf7 Re1 Ref8 Nf5 Nb7 Qf3 Na5 Nde3 Nb3 Qe4 Qd8 Rb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Qd7 Rf1 Rxf5 gxf5 Qxf5 Qxf5 Rxf5 Re2 g4 
28   -2.00   00:12 119554K  g5 g4 Bb7 Bxb7 Nxb7 Ng3 Qd7 Ngf5 e4 Kg2 Nd8 dxe4 Rxe4 f3 Re5 Rd2 Nf7 Nd5 Ree8 Rff2 Qb7 Rde2 Be5 Re1 Re6 Rfe2 Qd7 a5 bxa5 Qa4 Rfe8 Qxa5 
29   -1.85   00:15 151201K  g5 g4 Bb7 Bxb7 Nxb7 Ng3 Qd7 Ngf5 e4 Kg2 exd3 Qxd3 Be5 Nxh6 Nd8 Qd5 Qh7 Nhf5 Ne6 Qc6 Nf4+ Kg1 Nh3+ Kh1 Nf4 Qf3 Ne6 a5 Nd4 Qg2 Nxf5 Nxf5 Rxf5 gxf5 Qxh5+ Kg1 g4 Qh1 Qxh1+ Kxh1 Kg7 axb6 axb6 Kg2 Kf6 Rh1 d5 cxd5 c4 Rh6+ Kxf5 Rxb6 
30   -2.08   00:34 332242K  g5 Nc3 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 Ne4 Re7 Kg2 Ref7 Rb2 Qe7 Qg4 Rf3 Nd5 Qe8 Rd1 Nb7 Rdd2 R3f7 Rb1 Kg8 Re1 Kh8 Kg1 Rf5 Rb2 Qf7 Re3 Qe8 Qh3 Qe6 Kg2 Qf7 
31   -1.98   00:44 433732K  g5 Nc3 Re7 Kg2 Ree8 Be4 Re7 g4 Ref7 f3 Be6 Ncd5 Rb7 Nf5 Rbf7 Nde3 Qd7 Raf2 Qc7 Ng3 Qd7 Re2 Rb8 Ngf5 Rbf8 Ra2 Rb8 Raf2 Rbf8 Re1 Rf6 
32   -1.98   00:45 443663K  g5 Nc3 Qd7 g4 Qd8 Ne2 Rf4 Ng3 Bb7 Be4 Ref8 f3 Bc8 Ngf5 Rf7 Re2 Be6 Kg2 Rf6 Rff2 Rf8 Kh2 Qd7 Kg1 Rf6 Re1 Rf8 Rd2 Rb8 Rde2 Rf8 Rf1 Rf6 
33   -1.98   00:46 455646K  g5 Nc3 Qd7 g4 Rf4 f3 Rff8 Be4 Qd8 Ncd5 Be6 Nf5 Rf7 Kg2 Ref8 Nde3 Qd7 Ng3 Qd8 Raf2 Qd7 Kg1 Qd8 Ngf5 Qd7 Re1 Qc7 Kh2 Rf6 Ng3 Qd7 Ree2 R6f7 Kg2 Rf6 Kg1 Nb7 Ra2 
34   -1.97   00:57 553501K  g5 Nc3 Re7 Kg2 Ree8 Rh1 Qe7 Re1 Qd7 g4 Rf4 f3 Qd8 Be4 Ref8 Rae2 Be6 Qc2 R4f7 Rf2 Rc7 Ne2 Qd7 Ng3 Qd8 Qd1 Rcf7 Bg6 Rf4 Ngf5 Qd7 Qc2 Nb7 Nd5 Bxd5 cxd5 
35   -1.98   01:22 796093K  g5 Nc3 Re7 g4 Rf4 Ne4 Bb7 Ng3 Re8 Be4 Ref8 Rd2 Bc8 Ngf5 Be6 f3 Qd7 Kg2 Rf7 Ra2 Qd8 Re2 Rf6 Rfe1 Rf7 Rf2 Rf8 Ra2 Rf7 Rf1 Rf8 Kh2 Rf6 Raf2 Rf7 Re2 
36   -1.98   01:25 825481K  g5 Nc3 Re7 g4 Rf4 Ne4 Bb7 Ng3 Bc8 Ngf5 Re8 f3 Rf8 Be4 Rf7 Re2 Be6 Kg2 Rf6 Rfe1 Rf7 Rf2 Rf8 Ra2 Rf7 Rf1 Rf8 Kg1 Rf7 Raf2 Qd7 Kh2 Qd8 Re1 Qd7 Ra2 Rf8 
37   -1.85   01:35 929763K  g5 Nc3 Re7 Kg2 Qd7 Be4 Qh3+ Kg1 Ref7 Bg2 Qd7 Bd5 Re7 Be4 Ref7 g4 Rf4 f3 Qd8 Ncd5 R4f7 Kg2 Be6 Rff2 Rb7 Rfe2 Qd7 Nc3 Rbb8 Re1 Rbe8 Ncd5 Rb8 Rd2 Rbe8 Rf2 Rb8 Ree2 
38   -1.85   01:47   1041M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Kg2 Qd7 Be4 Qh3+ Kg1 Ref7 Bg2 Qd7 Bd5 Re7 Be4 Ref7 g4 Rf4 f3 Qd8 Ncd5 R4f7 Kg2 Be6 Rff2 Rb7 Rfe2 Qd7 Kg1 Rbb8 Rh2 Rbe8 Rhf2 Rb8 Rfe2 Rb7 Kg2 Rbb8 Re1 Rb7 Nf5 Bxf5 Bxf5 
39   -2.08   02:26   1411M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Rd8 Kh3 Rdf8 Kh2 Rd8 Re1 Rdf8 Kg2 Nb7 Bg6 Rf4 Bf5 Rd4 Bxe6 Qxe6 f3 Qd7 Nc2 Rdf4 Nxf4 gxf4 Qe2 Na5 Ra3 Qd8 Rh1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qe4 Qd6 Rc3 Qd7 Rc1 Nb7 Qg6 
40   -2.23   03:06   1795M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Re2 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Kg1 Rff7 Bg6 Rf8 Ra2 Qd7 Be4 Rbb8 Rff2 Rf7 Kh2 Rff8 Kg2 Nb7 Ra3 Rf7 Kh2 Na5 Rf1 Rff8 Kg2 Nb7 Qe2 Na5 Qc2 Rf7 
41   -2.23   03:56   2278M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Re2 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Kg1 Rff7 Bg6 Rf8 Ra2 Qd7 Be4 Rbb8 Ne3 Qd8 Kh2 Qc7 Nd5 Qd8 Kg2 Nb7 Qe2 Na5 Ra3 Qd7 Bg6 Nb7 Re1 Na5 Rb1 Qd8 Qe4 
42   -2.23   03:56   2281M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Re2 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Kg1 Rff7 Bg6 Rf8 Ra2 Qd7 Be4 Rbb8 Ne3 Qd8 Kh2 Rf7 Nd5 Qd7 Kg2 Qd8 Kg1 Rf8 Kh2 Rb7 Bg6 Rb8 Re1 Rb7 Bf5 Rff7 Be4 
43   -2.02   04:10   2417M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Rd8 Kh3 Rdf8 Kh2 Rf4 f3 R4f7 Bg6 Rf4 Raf2 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd4 Qb1 Rxd5 cxd5 Qe7 Re2 Bf6 Qa2 Qg7 Rfe1 Be7 Kg2 Bd8 Be4 Be7 Bf5 Bf6 Rd2 Bd8 Kg1 Qf7 Ree2 Qf6 d4 cxd4 
44   -2.23   05:53   3424M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Ncd5 Be6 Kg2 Qd7 g4 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Rd7 Qc2 Rdd8 Nd5 Qb7 Ra3 Qd7 Qe2 Rb8 Re1 Qd8 Bf5 Bf6 Qe4 Qe8 Bg6 Qd7 Qe2 Bg7 Rf1 Nb7 Qe4 Na5 Rh1 Bf6 Bf5 Qg7 Re1 Rbd8 Bg6 
45   -2.23   06:09   3580M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Be6 Ncd5 Qd7 g4 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Re1 Nb7 Nd5 Qd7 Rf1 Rb8 Bg6 Rff8 Qe1 Na5 Ra3 Qd8 Qe4 Qd7 Rb1 Rb7 Bf5 Qe8 Rh1 Qf7 Re1 Rbb8 Qe2 Qb7 Bg6 Qd7 Be4 Qd8 Qd1 Rb7 Ra2 Rbf7 Bg6 Rb7 
46   -2.23   06:38   3866M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Bb7 Rf1 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Rd7 Ra3 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Qe2 Qd7 Qe4 Rbb8 Re1 Qd8 Bf5 Qe8 Re2 Rb7 Rf2 Qf7 Rf1 Rbb8 Rb1 Nb7 Ra2 Na5 Re2 Qe8 Kg1 Qd8 
47   -2.23   06:57   4045M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Bb7 Rf1 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Rd7 Ra3 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Qe2 Qd7 Qe4 Rbb8 Re1 Qd8 Bf5 Qe8 Re2 Rb7 Rf2 Qf7 Rf1 Rbb8 Rb1 Nb7 Ra2 Na5 Re2 Qe8 Kg1 Qd8 
48   -2.23   07:20   4277M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Bb7 Rf1 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qc7 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Rd7 Ra3 Qd8 Nd5 Rb7 Qe2 Qd7 Qe4 Rbb8 Re1 Qd8 Bf5 Qe8 Re2 Rb7 Rf2 Qf7 Rf1 Rbb8 Rb1 Bf6 Bg6 Qd7 Ra2 Rbd8 Bf5 Qf7 Kg3 Rb8 
49   -2.23   07:52   4582M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Qd8 Rf1 Be6 Ra3 Qd7 Qe2 Qd8 Bg6 Rf3 Qxf3 Rxf3 Kxf3 Nb7 Bf5 Bf7 Ra2 Na5 Rb1 Bg8 Kg2 Bf8 Re1 Bf7 Be4 Bg8 Ra3 Bf7 Rf1 Be6 Rb1 Bf7 Ra2 Be6 Re2 Bf7 Nf5 Nb7 Ra2 Qd7 Nfe3 Qd8 Kg3 Be6 
50   -2.23   08:17   4821M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Qd8 Rf1 Be6 Ra3 Qd7 Qe2 Qd8 Bg6 Rf3 Qxf3 Rxf3 Kxf3 Nb7 Bf5 Bf7 Ra2 Na5 Rb1 Bg8 Kg2 Bf8 Re1 Bf7 Be4 Bg8 Ra3 Bf7 Rb1 Bg7 Nf5 Bf8 Ra2 Be6 Re2 Nb7 Nde3 Qc7 Ra2 Na5 Bd5 Bc8 Re2 Nb7 
51   -2.23   08:33   4972M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Qd8 Rf1 Be6 Ra3 Qd7 Qe2 Qd8 Bg6 Rf3 Qxf3 Rxf3 Kxf3 Nb7 Bf5 Bf7 Ra2 Na5 Rb1 Bg8 Kg2 Bf8 Re1 Bf7 Be4 Bg8 Ra3 Bf7 Rb1 Bg7 Kf3 Bg8 Bg6 Bf8 Bf5 Bf7 Kg2 Bg7 Be4 Bf8 Re1 Be6 
52   -2.23   09:59   5801M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Be4 Ref7 Kg2 Qd7 Rh1 Nb7 Bg6 Rf3 Ncd5 Na5 Be4 R3f7 g4 Qd8 Rf1 Be6 Ra3 Qd7 Qe2 Qd8 Bg6 Rf3 Qxf3 Rxf3 Kxf3 Nb7 Bf5 Bf7 Ra2 Na5 Rb1 Bg8 Kg2 Bf8 Re1 Bf7 Be4 Bg8 Ra3 Bf7 Rb1 Bg7 Kf3 Bg8 Bg6 Bf8 Kg2 Be6 Ra2 Bg7 Bf5 Bxf5 Nxf5 e4 
53   -2.00   20:07  11328M  g5 Nc3 Re7 Kg2 Qd7 Be4 Ref7 Rh1 Qd8 Ncd5 Be6 g4 Qd7 Rf1 Rd8 Re1 Rdf8 Kg1 Nb7 Rf1 Na5 Ra3 Rf4 Nxf4 gxf4 Nf5 d5 cxd5 Bxf5 Bxf5 Qxd5 Re1 Bf6 Qc2 Qf3 Qe2 Qd5 Qa2 Qxa2 Rxa2 Nb3 Kg2 Kg7 f3 Kf7 Be4 Rd8 Rh1 Na5 Rb1 Kg7 Ra3 Be7 Kh3 Rd4 Ra2 Bg5 Bf5 Bf6 Re1 
54   -2.23   45:52  25858M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Ref7 Ncd5 Bb7 Kg2 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qd8 Be4 R4f7 Nd5 Rb7 Ra3 Rbf7 Qe2 Rb7 Bf5 Rbf7 Qe4 Rb7 Re1 Qe8 Ra2 Rb8 Rb2 Rb7 Rf1 Qd8 Rbb1 Bf6 Qe2 Rbf7 Be4 Bg7 Bg6 Rb7 Qe4 Qb8 Bf5 Qe8 Rf2 Rb8 Rd2 Rb7 Ra2 Rb8 Bg6 
55   -2.23   46:57  26490M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Ref7 Ncd5 Bb7 Kg2 Bxd5 Bxd5 Rf4 f3 Qd8 Be4 Qc8 Re1 R4f7 Nd5 Qd8 Rae2 Qd7 Rf2 Qd8 Bg6 Rb7 Rfe2 Qc8 Qb1 Qd7 Ra2 Qd8 Ra3 Rd7 Qc2 Rb7 Qe2 Rd7 Qe4 Rb7 Bf5 Qe8 Ra2 Rb8 Rb2 Rb7 Rf1 Qd8 Rbb1 Bf6 Qe2 Rbf7 Be4 Bg7 Rfe1 
56   -2.23   51:06  28881M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Bf5 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qd1 Qc8 Re2 Qd8 Rh1 Nb7 Ra2 Na5 Re1 Nb7 Bg6 Rd7 Rae2 Na5 Be4 Rdf7 Qb1 Nb7 Rf1 Na5 Rh1 Rb7 Qd1 Rbf7 Ree1 Qc8 Bf5 Qd8 
57   -2.23   52:19  29581M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Bf5 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qd1 Qc8 Re2 Qd8 Rh1 Nb7 Ra2 Na5 Bg6 Rd7 Re2 Rb7 Rhe1 Rd7 Be4 Rdf7 Qc2 Qd7 Rf1 Qd8 Rb1 Rb7 Re3 Rbf7 Ree1 Qd7 Rf1 Qd8 Qd1 
58   -2.23   52:37  29757M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Bf5 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qd1 Qc8 Ne3 Qc7 Bg6 Rd7 Bf5 Rdd8 Nd5 Qb7 Re1 Rb8 Be4 Qd7 Rh1 Rf7 Bg6 Rff8 Ra3 Rb7 Be4 Rbb8 Qe2 Rf7 Rf1 Qd8 Bf5 Rf8 Re1 Rf7 Qe4 
59   -2.23 1:04:41  36707M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qc2 Qd7 Rh1 Qd8 Qd1 Qb8 Ra3 Qd8 Qe2 Qb8 Re1 Qd8 Qc2 Qb8 Qd1 Qd8 Qe2 Rd7 Bf5 Rb7 Bg6 Rd7 Qe4 Rb7 Rf1 Rd7 Bf5 Rb7 Rh1 Bf6 Rb1 
60   -2.23 1:05:49  37356M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qc2 Qd7 Qd1 Qd8 Rae2 Qd7 Rf1 Qd8 Rg1 Rb7 Rh1 Rbf7 Rf2 Nb7 Bg6 Rd7 Rff1 Na5 Qc2 Qb8 Bf5 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Re1 Rb7 Bg6 Qd8 Rb1 Rb8 Be4 Rf7 Qe2 Rbb7 
61   -2.23 1:12:19  41033M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Qc2 Qd7 Qd1 Qd8 Rae2 Qd7 Rf1 Qd8 Rg1 Rb7 Rh1 Rbf7 Rf2 Nb7 Bg6 Rd7 Ne3 Na5 Bf5 Rb7 Re2 Rbf7 Ree1 Nb7 Ref1 Na5 Qc2 Rb7 Bg6 Qd7 Nd5 Rbb8 Rb1 Nb7 
62   -2.23 1:17:14  43818M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Qc2 Rd7 Be4 Rdf7 Ne3 Rd7 Rf1 Rdf7 Rh1 Rd7 Qd1 Rdf7 Re1 Qb8 Nf5 Qd8 Qc2 Rd7 Ra3 Rdf7 Rh1 Qc7 Rha1 Qd8 Re1 Rd7 Qe2 Rf6 Bd5 Rc7 Rh1 Rd7 Ne3 Rf8 Re1 Qc7 
63   -2.23 1:23:42  47512M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Qc2 Rd7 Be4 Rdf7 Ne3 Rd7 Rf1 Rdf7 Rh1 Rd7 Qd1 Rdf7 Re1 Qb8 Nd5 Qd8 Rf2 Qb8 Qc2 Qd8 Rff1 Qb8 Kh2 Qc8 Ne3 Qd8 Kg2 Qc8 Bg6 Rb7 Nd5 Qd8 Rh1 Rd7 Be4 Rdf7 Rb1 Rb7 
64   -2.23 1:32:25  52477M  g5 Nc3 Qd7 Be4 Re7 g4 Bb7 Ncd5 Ref7 Bf5 Qd8 Bg6 Rf4 f3 Rd4 Qb1 Rdf4 Kg2 Rg8 Bf5 Rf8 Be4 R4f7 Bg6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Rd7 Re1 Rb7 Qc2 Rd7 Bf5 Rdf7 Be4 Qd7 Rh1 Qd8 Ne3 Rd7 Qd1 Rdf7 Bg6 Rb7 Nd5 Qb8 Bf5 Qd8 Re2 Rbf7 Be4 Qb8 Rf1 Qd8 Qc2 Rd7 Bg6 Rb7 Rfe1 Rd7 Rb1 Rb7 Rf1 Rd7 Rfe1 Rb7 Be4 Rbf7 Rh1 Qd7 Rf1 
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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Vinvin » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:16 pm

I'm testing some streaming on test set : https://www.twitch.tv/vinvin2020
Right now with SF 11 and Black-Diamond-XR7, 1 thread each, 300 seconds per position.

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Paloma » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:58 pm

Thanks Vincent,

is it Arena 3.5.1? Your OS is Win10 or Linux?

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Vinvin » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:08 pm

Paloma wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:58 pm
Thanks Vincent,

is it Arena 3.5.1? Your OS is Win10 or Linux?
Yes, Arena 3.5.1 on Windows 10.

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Paloma » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:42 pm

Yes I thought so, but is it Arena 3.5.1?

I heard that Arena 3.9ß was released for Linux

edit: i see you just added Arena 3.5.1 to your answer

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Paloma » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:10 am

Black Diamond is finished with the set, while SF 11 computes on Pos 186. :)

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Paloma » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:46 am

Hard-Talkchess-2020 is a very good Testsuite (the very best I know),
much better than ACT3 or ACT2, at best Arasan test-suite comes close.

Thanks for this!

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Re: Hard-Talkchess-2020 set

Post by Vinvin » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:24 am

This is only a preliminary test.
It's the first time I set a stream on Twitch.

Plan for next days :
1) Improve the broadcast setup
2) Release the Hard-Talkchess-2020 set
3) Select a list of engines to test (see below)
4) Broadcast the analysis with 30 minutes (1800 seconds) per position for each engine (2 or 3 in the same time)

Preliminary list of engines to test :
Stockfish 11
Stockfish 10
Stockfish 9
Stockfish 8
Ethereal 11.75
Xiphos 0.6
Crystal 1.1
MateFinder X
CorChess X
Sting X
Honey X
SugaR NN X
Crystal-Honey X
Black-Diamond X
Cfish X
AMSFish X
Fire 7.1
Houdini 1.5a
Spark 1.0
Critter 1.6a
Naum 4.6
Komodo X
Defenchess 2.2

Komodo 13.x ? (commercial but I don't owe it)
Houdini 6 ? (commercial but I don't owe it)
Houdini 6 Tactical ? (commercial but I don't owe it)

Stoofvlees II a13 (private ?)
Scorpio X (private ?)

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