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hgm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:32 pm Then you are wrong on all counts. The thread was not about ChessMaster, but was asking for WinBoard engines. Anyone not suggesting a WinBoard engine was already off-topic. This was a clear example of thread hijacking, to which other people took offense. Thread hijacking is an undesired behavior on any forum. Decent people would apologize for it to the O.P., if they did it unintentionally. Only a anarchistic trouble-maker would attack the moderator for cleaning up his mess.

If you don't like the result, don't do it again. It is as simple as that.

chrisw wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:35 pm

BrendanJNorman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:54 am

jewelmind wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:23 am I still find Chessmaster the most beautiful interface, easier on the eye and less cluttered than anything released since. So I want to keep using it, and I want to watch matches between good engines on it.

I've successfully imported Greko into Chessmaster 10, and the games are great, as Greko is around the same strength. Greko can even use Chessmaster opening books, which is fantastic.

For variety, I would like to import some more Winboard engines into Chessmaster at least as strong as Chessmaster 10 (or 11 - just bought it), but Greko is the only available one I could find. Everything seems to be UCI now. I find the instructions out there on how to import UCI engines into Chessmaster completely bamboozling! An example is this page:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/genera ... ci-engines

I can't use advice like this as I'm not a programmer. I don't know what a binary is, or an ini file, or how to edit it or with what etc. I'm completely lost with this. I looked at the Polyglot download page and it may as well have been written in ancient Sumerian.

So I think it's best if I just hunt for Winboard engines that can be easily imported into Chessmaster, like Greko. What's good and available and where is it? I've seen someone state that earlier versions of Crafty and Fruit were Winboard - is that true? If so, where are they?!

Note: Please don't post links to old general info like the Wikipedia list of Winboard engines - most of the links are dead now and most of the engines are weak. I need specific links to where I can get good Winboard engines now, as strong or stronger than Greko.

I completely agree. Chessmaster ALWAYS had a stunningly beautiful interface, and I'd be using it now (Polyglot nonsense, I finally figured out), but one cannot include external engines in engine tournaments...that was a deal-breaker for me.

About Winboard Engines:

Thinker (versions 5.1c, 5.1e, 5.4d, 5.3b,5.2c are good place to start)

Frenzee 3.5.19

Dimitri (not so strong, but lots of fun)

ZChess 2.0

Oh, crap, Brendon! Chessmaster was a criminal class venture capitalist program, moving through a stream of bankrupting companies burning their way through outrageous sums of investor cash, advertising, branding with massive budgets and effectively extracting huge amounts of consumer funds which might otherwise have found their way into actual chess programming pockets, rather than making some crooked venture capitalists (who really couldn’t care less what they were selling) rich and ripping off others. The guy on the cover was an old homeless guy they found on the street, like the woman on the cover of Mavis Beacon teaches typing, same marketing guy’s idea, was called in from somewhere, and couldn’t type. This whole thing was marketing over content and they moved from any one engine programmer to another at will, for no apparent good reason. Painful just how many people were taken in by it. Cripes, even Chessbase, great satan in many peoples books, at least are/were a company that actually concentrated on and took an interest in the content of what they are/were selling. Chessmaster?! Pass the sick bag.

Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:50 am The question was more, who moderates a moderator that makes himself a subject to moderation.

hgm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:10 am

Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:50 am The question was more, who moderates a moderator that makes himself a subject to moderation.

As Dann pointed out, there is more than one moderator.

You don't have to beat around the bush: just openly state that you think thread hijacking

and publicly quarreling with the moderator in violation of the charter

is perfectly normal behavior, and that it is indecent to criticize it. Then people know where you stand.

chrisw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:07 amThat's a subjective viewpoint. Exaggerated wildly. And very likely based on both personal animosity and post-facto self justification.
Whatever, it's not worth to argue with you over it.

hgm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:47 pm

chrisw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:07 amThat's a subjective viewpoint. Exaggerated wildly. And very likely based on both personal animosity and post-facto self justification.
Whatever, it's not worth to argue with you over it.

Yet you just did.