Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

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Paloma
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Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by Paloma » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm

My first opponent was no less than the several-time world champion Shredder, a warrior of old which looks as if it is getting on a bit (grey hairs). This time Stefan [Meyer-Kahlen] was in good spirits with his hybrid program and just as in previous years he had come to the tournament with high ambitions.
Quoted from here:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/komodo-wo ... -icga-2019

by E.Günes (Erdogan mans the dragon)

Very Interresting, hopefully this will result in a strong increase in playing strength and will Shredder be back in the top four or three.

So only Houdini, Komodo, Fire, Ethereal and Xiphos are without neural networks.
Pure A/B Engines seem to be out.

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Re: Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by ernest » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:34 pm

Paloma wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm

So only Houdini, Komodo, Fire, Ethereal and Xiphos are without neural networks.
Pure A/B Engines seem to be out.
...and Stockfish ! :D

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I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess software to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the stren

Post by Father » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:14 pm

I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess softwares to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the strength of the imagination of human intelligence of a simple chess player who plays for simple fun without belonging to Federation or any chess legue.
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I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess software to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the s

Post by Ovyron » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:45 am

Father wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:14 pm
I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess softwares to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the strength of the imagination of human intelligence of a simple chess player who plays for simple fun without belonging to Federation or any chess legue.
Best regards,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess user
I'd be interested in seeing a PGN of a game where you beat an engine with a +30 second increment.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

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Re: Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by Gabor Szots » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am

Paloma wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm
Pure A/B Engines seem to be out.
I am never going to spend hundreds of euros for a graphic card and cooling and electricity bills just to be able to run NN engines.
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Re: Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by Gian-Carlo Pascutto » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:25 am

Paloma wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm
So only Houdini, Komodo, Fire, Ethereal and Xiphos are without neural networks.
Pure A/B Engines seem to be out.
Fire has a NN version, it played in TCEC.

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Re: Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by Gian-Carlo Pascutto » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:27 am

Gabor Szots wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am
I am never going to spend hundreds of euros for a graphic card and cooling and electricity bills just to be able to run NN engines.
It seems rather likely that increasing NN support in new CPU architectures and improvements in NN engines will make the issue moot.

lc0-CPU-LD2 is a reasonably strong engine by itself.

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Re: I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess software to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the s

Post by Marcus9 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:37 am

Ovyron wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:45 am
Father wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:14 pm
I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess softwares to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the strength of the imagination of human intelligence of a simple chess player who plays for simple fun without belonging to Federation or any chess legue.
Best regards,
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess user
I'd be interested in seeing a PGN of a game where you beat an engine with a +30 second increment.
It is not necessary, an engine with the right settings would be enough

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Re: Will be the new Shredder a Hybrid-Engine?

Post by Modern Times » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:41 pm

Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:27 am
Gabor Szots wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am
I am never going to spend hundreds of euros for a graphic card and cooling and electricity bills just to be able to run NN engines.
It seems rather likely that increasing NN support in new CPU architectures and improvements in NN engines will make the issue moot.

lc0-CPU-LD2 is a reasonably strong engine by itself.
I'm with Gabor on this. An energy efficient GTX1050 for just under £100 was as far as I was prepared to go. Yes perhaps CPU performance will improve in future. But in terms of GPU, what you can buy for £100 in 2 yrs time say will be a lot more powerful than what it buys you today.
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Re: I will be waiting for alphazero AI chess software to position themselves; then we will see if they can resist the s

Post by Ovyron » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:54 am

Marcus9 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:37 am
It is not necessary, an engine with the right settings would be enough
But the engine with the "right settings" would lose a match against the engine with "default settings." My point here is that Father can't beat an engine with "default settings" and an increment of +30 seconds, while these default settings engine would beat the "right settings" one under all conditions.

This would make "default settings" +30 seconds the toughest opponent Father can beat (unless he cannot...), and it'd impress me, even if it was some engine at the Level of Romichess, because it'd be playing some chess and not beating some lag.
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