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lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:48 am I got crushed!
[pgn][Event "Live Chess - 960 knight odds"] [Site "Chess.com"] [Date "Aug 28, 2019"] [Round "4"] [White "PlayKomodo"] [Black "hissha (GM Larry Kaufman"] [Result "1-0"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "rnqnkbbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1QNKBBR w KQkq - 0 1"] [TimeControl "900+10"] 1. d4 f5 2. Qd2 g6 3. f3 d5 4. e4 dxe4 5. fxe4 fxe4 6. d5 Bg7 7. Bd4 Bf6 8. Nc3 Nd7 9. Nxe4 Bf7 10. Be2 O-O 11. Bg4 Bxd4 12. Qxd4 e6 13. O-O c6 14. Rxf7 Nxf7 15. dxe6 Nfe5 16. exd7 Qc7 17. Be6+ Kg7 18. Nc5 Rf6 19. Re1 b6 20. Na6 Qb7 21. Rxe5 Qxa6 22. Bc4 1-0[/pgn]

Well Larry, At least I am sure it (Komodo) feels bad about it.

AdminX wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:36 am

lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:48 am I got crushed!

Well Larry, At least I am sure it (Komodo) feels bad about it.

No way, Ted. I'm sure it feels bad about ... allowing the draws.

The Sun:

DEVOURED Incredible story of the man eaten by his seven 6ft-long monitor lizards was ‘most bizarre pet killing’ ever seen

After breaking into the ex-soldier's apartment, they were confronted with the gruesome sight of seven enormous Nile monitor lizards feasting on the 42-year-old's corpse.

The huge reptiles - flesh-eating, venomous and endemic to Africa - were covered in their owner's blood and were hissing aggressively at the officers.

To date Ronald's death remains one of the most terrifying and bizarre instances of a human being eaten by their pets.

Nile monitor lizards feast on small creatures, such as mice and rats, in the wild. Those in captivity are usually fed raw chicken.

Although they have become popular in the US as an exotic pet, they are considered dangerous due to their sharp teeth and venom.

This venom is not necessarily fatal to humans - but it can affect blood pressure and acts as a knockout punch on smaller creatures.

jp wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:56 am The Sun:

DEVOURED Incredible story of the man eaten by his seven 6ft-long monitor lizards was ‘most bizarre pet killing’ ever seen

After breaking into the ex-soldier's apartment, they were confronted with the gruesome sight of seven enormous Nile monitor lizards feasting on the 42-year-old's corpse.

The huge reptiles - flesh-eating, venomous and endemic to Africa - were covered in their owner's blood and were hissing aggressively at the officers.

To date Ronald's death remains one of the most terrifying and bizarre instances of a human being eaten by their pets.

Nile monitor lizards feast on small creatures, such as mice and rats, in the wild. Those in captivity are usually fed raw chicken.

Although they have become popular in the US as an exotic pet, they are considered dangerous due to their sharp teeth and venom.

This venom is not necessarily fatal to humans - but it can affect blood pressure and acts as a knockout punch on smaller creatures.

Since they were Monitor lizards as opposed to Komodo dragons, I have nothing to worry about!

lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:42 pm Since they were Monitor lizards as opposed to Komodo dragons, I have nothing to worry about!

And there were seven of them, so just avoid PV=7.

lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 am I have some chances. Look for games of "playkomodo" vs "Hissha" (that's me).

Thanks for your valiant effort!

Your handle (Shogi rook) reminded me that you are also likely one of the more knowledgeable folks on the recent strength improvements in computer shogi. When do you think the shogi programs became stronger than you, and which was the first one to do so? And what was your opinion on the Alpha Zero shogi games and the AobaZero's recent attempts to duplicate their results as Leela is doing for chess and go?

IanO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:23 pm

lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:04 am I have some chances. Look for games of "playkomodo" vs "Hissha" (that's me).

Thanks for your valiant effort!

Your handle (Shogi rook) reminded me that you are also likely one of the more knowledgeable folks on the recent strength improvements in computer shogi. When do you think the shogi programs became stronger than you, and which was the first one to do so? And what was your opinion on the Alpha Zero shogi games and the AobaZero's recent attempts to duplicate their results as Leela is doing for chess and go?

I think that when Bonanza shogi came out about a decade ago was about the time that shogi programs passed my level. Roughly a decade earlier I easily defeated a program in a match in London in which I gave it rook and bishop handicap. Now I need rook handicap from Bonanza for competitive game. AlphaZero winning in shogi wasn't as much of a shock as in chess, since the top shogi engines hadn't yet proven overwhelming superiority vs. the top humans in the way they have in chess. Computer shogi has much more of a future than computer chess unless there are major changes in chess, because shogi doesn't have a draw problem; even AlphaZero shogi is very very far from perfect play. Last I heard, the AobaZero was just in its infancy.

lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:01 pm ... since the top shogi engines hadn't yet proven overwhelming superiority vs. the top humans in the way they have in chess.
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Hi Larry,
Do you have some news about top human vs computers in shogi ?
Was there some matches in last years ?
How top humans evaluate top computers ?

I read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_ ... n_3_(2014) : in 2014 top engines were already stronger than top humans.
And from here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_shogi#Floodgate : computers has improved by 1300 (4550-3250) rating points since 2014.

Thanks,
Vincent

It appears that the NN approach may favor Shogi more than other games. Look at LCZero/Shogi verses Elmo here:
https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alpha ... ogi-and-go

Vinvin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:53 am

lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:01 pm ... since the top shogi engines hadn't yet proven overwhelming superiority vs. the top humans in the way they have in chess.
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Hi Larry,
Do you have some news about top human vs computers in shogi ?
Was there some matches in last years ?
How top humans evaluate top computers ?

I read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_ ... n_3_(2014) : in 2014 top engines were already stronger than top humans.
And from here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_shogi#Floodgate : computers has improved by 1300 (4550-3250) rating points since 2014.

Thanks,
Vincent

Yes, time flies, I hadn't realized it was already five years since the engines clobbered the elite pros in a match. We just never had a serious match (like say 5 games with 6 hours per side or more time limit) between the number 1 pro and an engine the way we did with chess computers and Kasparov. I'm confident that the top engine could now give the top human pro lance handicap and win a match, but lance handicap is much less than f7 handicap in chess. In other words, the gap is now huge, but much less than in chess. When you talk about gaining 1300 elo in shogi, you have to compare that to what the elo gain would be in the same interval in chess with only wins and losses rated, it would probably be in the same ballpark.