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A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:56 pm
by Chessqueen
I suppose that if it enter instead of Fire 7.1 it must be better! We are still waiting to see Komodo NN !
https://tcec.chessdom.com/

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:36 pm
by Guenther
Chessqueen wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:56 pm
I suppose that if it enter instead of Fire 7.1 it must be better! We are still waiting to see Komodo NN !
https://tcec.chessdom.com/
From cloner number one I just expect a closed source LC0 derivate... who cares...

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:16 pm
by Damir
You should say the same of Stoofvlees and Deus as well…. None of these engines are avilable to the public, and are based on Lc0. :( :(

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:22 pm
by Guenther
Damir wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:16 pm
You should say the same of Stoofvlees and Deus as well…. None of these engines are avilable to the public, and are based on Lc0. :( :(
Deus is known to be LC0 (not based) and a different network.

For Stoofvlees you must be joking, as GCP laid the base for LCZ himself and knows what he is doing.

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:37 pm
by jdart
I think FireNN blundered here, in a game against Lc0:



It played Qa1, allowing Nxf2!. Nxf2 is not hard for alpha-beta searchers to find.

--Jon

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:40 pm
by Damir
Guenther wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:22 pm
Damir wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:16 pm
You should say the same of Stoofvlees and Deus as well…. None of these engines are avilable to the public, and are based on Lc0. :( :(
Deus is known to be LC0 (not based) and a different network.

For Stoofvlees you must be joking, as GCP laid the base for LCZ himself and knows what he is doing.
So an author who decide to go NN and with doubtful reputation in the past does not know what is doing, and should publish his source...
If he was able to create an Alpha beta engine in the first place, surely he would know how to create a NN engine.
What is more, I don't think Mr Schmidt is working solely on his own. Milos Stanisavljevic who has great programming expertise is probably helping him. Ever hear of Robbolito engine Guenther? Milos is the author of that one….

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:51 pm
by Chessqueen
jdart wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:37 pm
I think FireNN blundered here, in a game against Lc0:



It played Qa1, allowing Nxf2!. Nxf2 is not hard for alpha-beta searchers to find.

--Jon
Here is that last game where Fire NNb allowed Check Mate, but if you analyze this game under the ab engine Fire 7.1, the Check Mate was detected and prevented 10 moves ahead https://cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?s ... l1&game=16

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:01 pm
by zullil
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:51 pm

Here is that last game where Fire NNb allowed Check Mate, but if you analyze this game under the ab engine Fire 7.1, the Check Mate was detected and prevented 10 moves ahead https://cd.tcecbeta.club/archive.html?s ... l1&game=16

Re: A New NN engine just entered TCEC Fire NNb

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:13 pm
by Damir
Looks like NN Fire is on drugs.... :lol: :lol: