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Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:43 pm
by Spliffjiffer
excellentely, thanks so much for your answer and for Sting of course as well
...it works !
regards
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:15 am
by Paloma
lech wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:24 pm
Spliffjiffer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:03 pm
hello Marek, i tried your "autoplay-mode" myself and it works excellently, very intereting to juggle with it !
one question: is it possible for me to use my complete 4 threads that i have to let Sting autoplay positions... if so, how ?
ah...beside this: is it possible to abbort the autoplay-process by using a certain command maybe ?
to use more threads (4):
setoption name threads value 4
to stop solution:
click button ctrl (don't hold) and type stop
Hi Marek,
I tried the autoplay Mode and have used the command "d". (display diagram)
But - only after several tries it finally worked at last.
You have to enter the following: press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: d, Return
The same with command "eval": press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: eval, Return
But - know this every user?
After the diagram is displayed, the following appears: Key is: 5286910020249268371
What means this?
It would be useful if there were detailed instructions on the various commands and how to use them.
Nevertheless - you have great tools built in.
Thanks
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:07 pm
by lech
Paloma wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:15 am
lech wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:24 pm
Spliffjiffer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:03 pm
hello Marek, i tried your "autoplay-mode" myself and it works excellently, very intereting to juggle with it !
one question: is it possible for me to use my complete 4 threads that i have to let Sting autoplay positions... if so, how ?
ah...beside this: is it possible to abbort the autoplay-process by using a certain command maybe ?
to use more threads (4):
setoption name threads value 4
to stop solution:
click button ctrl (don't hold) and type stop
Hi Marek,
I tried the autoplay Mode and have used the command "d". (display diagram)
But - only after several tries it finally worked at last.
You have to enter the following: press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: d, Return
The same with command "eval": press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: eval, Return
But - know this every user?
After the diagram is displayed, the following appears: Key is: 5286910020249268371
What means this?
It would be useful if there were detailed instructions on the various commands and how to use them.
Nevertheless - you have great tools built in.
Thanks
You are right!
But the auto-playing idea seems to be fresh and probably no GUI (Graphical User's Interface) support such an interesting possibility.
I think that all users (99,9%) like GUI and they are far to use "Windows command line" and send to engines UCI commands.
The auto-playing is a natural (logical) extension of searching and it can replace searching in many positions too.
For this, let programmers of GUIs include it to their programs.
It needs only to start playing of a position by only one engine.
It means that exactly the same engine (common Hash) plays for White and BLACK.
And when an user stops searching (pyramid grows and grows) of a position and want (need) to get full solution and result (draw or mate), the user starts auto-playing from this place or skips a few moves (from pv-line) and starts auto-playing there.
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:41 pm
by zullil
Paloma wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:15 am
After the diagram is displayed, the following appears: Key is: 5286910020249268371
What means this?
Thanks
The key is a 64-bit number (so 16 digits in hexadecimal, where digits range from 0=0000 to F=1111). The key you posted above is unusual in that none of the digits A, B, C, D, E, F appear.
This key is a numerical representation of the position. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zobrist_hashing for more.
In any case, the appearance of this key in response to the "d" command is not specific to Sting; it's simply borrowed from Stockfish.
[OOPS] That key you posted has more than 16 digits, so I guess it is Sting-specific after all. Treating that number as a decimal number, its hexadecimal representation is 495EE0A6F4693093, which is the correct length for a key. So maybe Sting is printing keys in decimal rather than hexadecimal, for some unknowable reason.
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:11 pm
by lech
lech wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:07 pm
Paloma wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:15 am
lech wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:24 pm
Spliffjiffer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:03 pm
hello Marek, i tried your "autoplay-mode" myself and it works excellently, very intereting to juggle with it !
one question: is it possible for me to use my complete 4 threads that i have to let Sting autoplay positions... if so, how ?
ah...beside this: is it possible to abbort the autoplay-process by using a certain command maybe ?
to use more threads (4):
setoption name threads value 4
to stop solution:
click button ctrl (don't hold) and type stop
Hi Marek,
I tried the autoplay Mode and have used the command "d". (display diagram)
But - only after several tries it finally worked at last.
You have to enter the following: press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: d, Return
The same with command "eval": press Ctrl-button, type: stop, Return, type: eval, Return
But - know this every user?
After the diagram is displayed, the following appears: Key is: 5286910020249268371
What means this?
It would be useful if there were detailed instructions on the various commands and how to use them.
Nevertheless - you have great tools built in.
Thanks
You are right!
But the auto-playing idea seems to be fresh and probably no GUI (Graphical User's Interface) support such an interesting possibility.
I think that all users (99,9%) like GUI and they are far to use "Windows command line" and send to engines UCI commands.
The auto-playing is a natural (logical) extension of searching and it can replace searching in many positions too.
For this, let programmers of GUIs include it to their programs.
It needs only to start playing of a position by only one engine.
It means that exactly the same engine (common Hash) plays for White and BLACK.
And when an user stops searching (pyramid grows and grows) of a position and want (need) to get full solution and result (draw or mate), the user starts auto-playing from this place or skips a few moves (from pv-line) and starts auto-playing there.
I missed one questions.
Key is added to diagrams by authors of Stockfish 2.1.1 and I don't know why is there?
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:51 pm
by zullil
lech wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:11 pm
I missed one questions.
Key is added to diagrams by authors of Stockfish 2.1.1 and I don't know why is there?
I guess in Stockfish 2.1.1 the Zobrist key was still being printed in decimal rather than hexadecimal as it is now.
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:07 am
by lech
"Show" is a new command in Sting 16 !
A guide (bold = input texts) for no GUIs users.
sting-sf-16
it starts Sting
position fen rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR - kqKQ 0 1
it load position
d
it displays diagram
eval
it displays a static evoulation
setoption name hash value 1024
it sets hash to 1024 Mega
setoption name threads value 1
it sets threads to 1 thread
go movetime 3600000
it starts searching (1 hour)
if you want to stop searching, press (dont't hold) CTRL keyboard button and then type
stop
go movetime 60000 play show forward 6
it skips 6 first moves from the pv-line and starts auto-playing (60 second per move) and displays diagram after each move.
if you want to stop auto-playing, press (dont't hold) CTRL keyboard button and then type
stop
The commands "forward", "show", "d", "eval" are optional and may be omitted.
BTW. Some no-output key information in diagrams may be ignored by users.
Re: Sting SF 16
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:09 am
by glennsamuel32
Thanks Lech !!
I always look forward to your work...