LC0-Leela0 Rating Controversy..Whats The Strength?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:09 am
Happened to be surfing looking for the latest LeelaFish/LC0 for some final testing and stumbled by accident to some new "Revelations" People around the Globe are having problems coming up with a rating for the "Engine/Program" LC0
Behold the New latest entry...:
https://github.com/LeelaChessZero/lc0/wiki/FAQ
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
LC0 FIDE rating 2739
LC0 FIDE Rating 2675
LC0 FIDE rating 2671
LC0 FIDE Rating 2656
ALPHA ZERO Paper Estimate ELO 4000+(Minimum)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
It's been quite a while since Late 2017 when the Google Deep Mind Team Swore that Alpha Zero Defeated Stockfish
with only 24 hours of self learning game training...In the Hours, Days and Months Since The Entire Globe has been trying without success to recreate these fantastic results...Although much progress has been made and more is ahead it is time to "Tell It Like it is".. Those CLAIMS (2017) were PURE FICTION! Where are the Advocates of Alpha Zero Now? Where Are they Hiding? Should we put a asterisk beside those fantastic original results vs Stockfish?
Behold the New latest entry...:
https://github.com/LeelaChessZero/lc0/wiki/FAQ
What is the current strength of Lc0 ?
The Elo chart seems inflated.
The chart is not calibrated to CCRL or any other common list. It sets 'the first net' to Elo 0, so it is not comparable, even between different training runs.
The different points are calculated from self-play matches. Self-play tends to (exaggerate) gains in Elo compared to gains when playing other chess engines.
Where can I find Lc0's current Elo?
Many people are keeping their own rating lists, here are some examples:
Aggregated list
Elo Summary collects from many sources and graphs them all on one page.
LCZ vs Stockfish (!zz on Discord)
LCZ CCRL Estimate (!ccrl on Discord)
L.e.e.l.a LcZero ELO Estimate List Approximation by Cscuile (!sheet2 on Discord)
CCLS Rating for LCZ from these gauntlet results. The games can be watched here
LCZ Basic Checkmates
LCZ vs SF Time Handicap (!sheet on Discord)
Reinfeld's Win at Chess
Lc0 test30 Elo estimates (!sheet3 on Discord)
lc0 Elo Ratings -- ID Progression (!sheet4 on Discord)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
LC0 FIDE rating 2739
LC0 FIDE Rating 2675
LC0 FIDE rating 2671
LC0 FIDE Rating 2656
ALPHA ZERO Paper Estimate ELO 4000+(Minimum)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
It's been quite a while since Late 2017 when the Google Deep Mind Team Swore that Alpha Zero Defeated Stockfish
with only 24 hours of self learning game training...In the Hours, Days and Months Since The Entire Globe has been trying without success to recreate these fantastic results...Although much progress has been made and more is ahead it is time to "Tell It Like it is".. Those CLAIMS (2017) were PURE FICTION! Where are the Advocates of Alpha Zero Now? Where Are they Hiding? Should we put a asterisk beside those fantastic original results vs Stockfish?