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Re: Whatever is current - Amazing Leela

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Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmBeing the best when other do not know about it is not fun
But all the top chess players have a secret preparation and they don't share it with others, lines prepared several years ago one day have a chance to be played and take someone by surprise and win a game, otherwise, you can't find information about them anywhere.

This is the competitive nature of chess. Ironically, if you don't content you can't know the lines, but if you contend and know about the lines you don't want other contenders to know.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmI have no idea who make the best opening book
The one that gives the most book wins against what other people are using currently, and only one person has the book (unless they decide to share it with others, asked to not make the book public.) Keeping a private book strong is very hard and requires playing daily against strong opponents, nobody knows who has the strongest one until they play in a tournament.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmI read claims that white's Giuoco Piano has been busted but do not know where to find games to show that black get the advantage.
I suggest you get the strongest engine that you can and set up a book that plays the Giuoco Piano as white with the best white line you believe exists, and play in the daily Tournaments of InfinityChess. After a few days you'll be paired with someone and they'll bust your line and you'll see the moves needed to take it down.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmThe claim that 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 is good for white also seems strange for me because I know no strong human players who play this opening.
Qf3 was found by a learning Cluster that is trying different openings and plays the most successful ones, and it was successful with Qf3. All the people from the past that think "2.Qf3 is a bad move because it sins against about all the opening rules and gives away the advantage of the first move" could have reached a lost position against that cluster, as least if taken by surprise (I was taken by surprise by it; unfortunately, or fortunately, the Cluster reached a won position and then busted it and I saved a draw, and I wasn't the only one...)
Uri Blass wrote:I do not have a gpu and I do not have a fast computer so I analyzed only with stockfish when I do not see advantage for black after
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 inspite of analyzing with default contempt that mean I can expect advantage for black even in an equal position.
You'll never get to see an engine showing black advantage for black after 3.Bc4, it requires:

1. A backsolved analysis tree like Aquarium's, Chess Openings Wizard, or Chess Opening Trainer.

2. The relevant lines (I could have never found these lines by myself, they had to be played against me.)

3. Interactive analysis (the one you use on correspondence games or Freestyle chess, that knows what positions need to be extended and what need an alternative seeked.)

4. Overriding the engine's score in leaf nodes (the hardest part as there are 0.00 positions that black is actually winning and you have to manually identify those)

After that you'll have the lines that show the Italian is busted, and will be able to get book wins against opponents that play it against you. I have found no other use for those lines...
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Re: Whatever is current - Amazing Leela

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Isn't that position just the precursor to the gp?
[d]r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/2n5/4p3/2B1P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 52; bm Bc5; c1 "03b"; c3 "Nf6"; c4 "Nf6"; c5 "Nf6"; c6 Arves.17281; cce -28; ce -22; pm Bc5 {25927} Nf6 {17503} Be7 {821} d6 {772} h6 {755} g6 {100} f5 {41} a6 {13} b6 {13} Nd4 {8} Bd6 {6} Qe7 {4} Qf6 {3} f6 {2} Bb4 {1} b5 {1} g5 {1}; pv Bc5 c3 Nf6 d3 O-O O-O d6 h3 a5 Re1 Bb6 Nbd2 h6 a4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nc4 Ba7 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Nd7 Ncd2 Qf6 Qb3 Nc5 Qc4 Nd7 Rae1 Ra6 Qb3 Nc5 Qd1 Raa8 Nc4 Nd7 Qb3 Nc5 Qc2 Qg6 d4 Rxf3 Rxf3 exd4 Rg3 d3 Qc1 Qh5 f4 Qh4 Qe3 Re8 e5; white_wins 17062; black_wins 14291; draws 12632; Opening Italian Game: General. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4; CaxtonID: 903; ECO: C50;

I have this position as the GP (Italian game/Italian variation):
[d]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 48; bm d3; c3 "d3"; c4 "c3"; cce 15; ce 18; pm c3 {12528} d3 {5582} b4 {5014} O-O {1844} Nc3 {1094} d4 {77} Qe2 {69} a3 {12} Bb3 {6} Bxf7+ {5} g3 {5} Bb5 {3} Bd5 {1} Bf1 {1} Ng5 {1} Rf1 {1} b3 {1}; pv d3 Nf6 c3 d6 O-O O-O Re1 h6 h3 a5 Nbd2 Bd7 a4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nb3 Bb6 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Qe7 Nbd2 Rab8 Nc4 Nd7 Rc1 Qf7 d4 Qg6 dxe5 Ndxe5 Ncxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rf4 Rd1 Rbf8 f3 Qg5 Qf2 b6 Kh1 Rd8 Rxd8+ Qxd8 Qe2 c6 Kg1 Rf7; white_wins 9549; black_wins 8690; draws 7146; Opening Italian Game: Italian Variation. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5; CaxtonID: 911; ECO: C50;

I have these as gp variants:

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r2q1rk1/p4ppp/b1p2n2/2bpN3/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 39; bm dxc5; ce 81; pm dxc5; pv dxc5 Re8 Qd4 Nd7 Be3 Rxe5 O-O-O Re6 a3 Qf6 Kb1 Qxd4 Bxd4 Rae8 f4 f6 h3 R6e7 b3 Nf8 f5 Nd7 Kb2 Ne5 a4 Bb7 Bf2 g6 fxg6 hxg6 Bh4 Kg7 Rhf1 Rf8 Kb1 Ba6 Rfe1 Bb7 Kb2 Rfe8 g4 g5 Bg3; Opening Giuoco Piano: Steinitz variation *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n5/2bBP3/8/2p2NK1/PP4PP/RNBQ3R b kq - acd 30; bm cxb2; c3 "cxb2"; cce -178; ce 0; pm cxb2 {5}; pv cxb2 Bxb2 Ne7 h3 O-O Bb3 d5 exd6 Nf5+ Kh2 Ne3 Qd2 Bxd6+ Be5 Bxe5+ Nxe5 Qg5 Nxf7 Qf4+ Kg1 Qf1+ Kh2 Qf4+ Kg1 Qf1+ Kh2 Qf4+; white_wins 2; black_wins 0; draws 3; Opening ECO:C53; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Ghulam Kassim variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. e5 Ne4 7. Bd5 Nxf2 8. Kxf2 dxc3+ 9. Kg3 *;
r1bqk1nr/pppp2pp/2n5/2b1p1N1/2B1Pp2/3P4/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 30; bm Nf7; ce 39; pm Nf7; pv Nf7 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Rf1 d5 exd5 fxg3 hxg3 Bg4 Ng5 Bxf2+ Rxf2 Qxg3 Qd2 Nd4 Na3 h6 Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7+ Kxd7 Qe3 Qxe3+ Bxe3 hxg5 O-O-O Nf6 Nc4 Rae8 c3 b5 cxd4 bxc4 dxc4 g4 dxe5 Rxe5 Bxa7; Opening ECO:C50; Opening: Giuoco Pianissimo; Variation Dubois variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d3 f5 5. Ng5 f4 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBP4/5N2/PP1B1PPP/RN1QK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm O-O; ce 92; pm O-O; pv O-O O-O d5 Bxb4 Nxb4 Be2 Qd6 a3 Nc6 Nbd2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Re1 Qf4 g3 Qf5 Nh4 Bxe2 Nxf5 Bxd1 Raxd1 Rfe8 Nf3 g6 Rxe8+ Rxe8 Ne3 Kg7 Kg2 h6 Rc1 a6 Rc5; Opening C54:Giuoco Piano, Krause variation;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - acd 37; bm c3; c3 "c3"; c4 "c3"; cce 24; ce 14; pm c3 {1463} Nc3 {102} Be3 {80} h3 {68} Bg5 {24} Nbd2 {9} a4 {8} Bb3 {7} a3 {6} Qe2 {1} Re1 {1}; pv c3; white_wins 627; black_wins 538; draws 503; Opening ECO:C50q; Giuoco Pianissimo: 4.d3 Nf6 5.O-O d6; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.O-O d6 *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 30; bm d3; cce 73; ce -19; pm d3 {47} O-O {4} h3 {4}; pv d3 Bg4 Nd5 Nd4 c3 Nxf3+ gxf3 Be6 Bg5 Bxd5 Bxd5 c6 Bb3 h6 Bd2 Nh5 h4 Qf6; white_wins 30; black_wins 21; draws 4; Opening Giuoco Pianissimo: Italian Four Knights variation *;
r2q1rk1/ppp3pp/2n5/2bNp3/4P1b1/5N2/PPP1QPPP/R1B1K2R w KQ - acd 31; bm Be3; ce 57; pm Be3; pv Be3 Nd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 O-O-O Bxf3 gxf3 c6 Ne3 Qf6 Nf5 Rad8 h4 g6 Qc4+ Kh8 Nxd4 Rxd4 Rxd4 exd4 Rd1 Rd8 Qc5 Qxf3 Qe5+ Kg8 h5 Rf8 hxg6 hxg6 Qxd4 Qxf2 Qd3 Qf3 Qxf3 Rxf3 Rd7 Rf7; Opening Giuoco piano: Holzhausen attack *;
r2q2k1/pp3ppp/8/2b1r3/3p4/3P4/PPP1NPPn/R1BQ1RK1 w - - acd 45; bm Kxh2; ce 0; pm Kxh2; pv Kxh2 Rh5+ Kg1 Qh4 f4 Qh2+ Kf2 Rh3 Rg1 Re8 Qf1 Bb4 a3 Ree3 axb4 Rhf3+ Ke1 Rxf1+ Rxf1 Re8 Ra5 Rxe2+ Kxe2 Qxg2+ Rf2 Qg4+ Ke1 Qg1+ Rf1 Qg3+ Kd1 Qg4+ Kd2 Qg2+ Ke1 Qg3+; Opening Giuoco Piano: Therkatz-Herzog variation *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2pp1/2np1n1p/2b1p1B1/2B1P3/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - acd 34; bm Bxf6; c3 "Bxf6"; cce 27; ce 26; pm Bxf6 {997} Be3 {72} Bh4 {36} Bd2 {1}; pv Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 O-O a6 c3 O-O; white_wins 389; black_wins 323; draws 356; Opening ECO:C50v; Giuoco Pianissimo: Canal, 6...h6; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 h6 *;
r2qk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P1b1/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 31; bm Bb5; cce 161; ce -15; pm h3 {7} Na4 {4}; pv Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 h3 Bh5 O-O h6 Na4 Bb6 Qe2 Nd7 Bd2 Qf6 g4 Bg6 b4 a5 Nxb6 cxb6 bxa5 bxa5 Rfe1 Nc5 Kg2 Rfb8 Rab1 a4 a3 Ne6 Rf1 Qe7 Rfe1 c5 Rh1 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4; white_wins 7; black_wins 3; draws 1; Opening Giuoco Pianissimo: Canal variation *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/1bn2n2/4p3/PPB1P3/2P2N2/3P1PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm Nxe4; ce 71; pm Nxe4; pv Nxe4 O-O d5 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 a5 d4 axb4 Nxc6 Qd6 Nxb4 c6 Nd3 Re8 Bf4 Qf6 Be5 Qg6 Re1 f6 Bf4 Bh3 Bg3 Bd7 Nf4 Qf5 f3 Nxg3 Rxe8+ Rxe8; Opening ECO:C54c; Giuoco Piano: Bird's Attack; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.b4 Bb6 6.a4 *;
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - acd 37; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; c4 "Nf6"; cce -5; ce -16; pm Nf6 {1364} d6 {477} Qe7 {2} Qf6 {1}; pv Nf6 d3 d6 c3 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 a4 Nxc4 Nxc4 c5 Bd2 Bc7 Ne3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qd5 b3 a6 Nf3 Qxd1 Raxd1 Be6 Nd4 Bxc4 bxc4 Rad8; white_wins 652; black_wins 631; draws 498; Opening ECO:C50k; Giuoco Piano: 4.O-O; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O *;
r1bqk2r/pp3ppp/2n2n2/1Bbpp3/8/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 37; bm Nxe5; ce 33; pm Nxe5; pv Nxe5 O-O Bxc6 d4 Bf3 Re8 Ne2 Rxe5 d3 Bg4 Bxg4 Nxg4 h3 Nf6 O-O Nd5 a3 Qc7 Nf4 Nf6 Bd2 Rae8 Rc1 Qd7 Re1 Rxe1+ Bxe1 Qb5 Rb1 Bd6 Bd2 a6 Ne2 Qe5 Bf4 Qxe2 Bxd6 Qxd1+ Rxd1 Re2 Rc1 Nd5 g4 b5 f3; Opening Giuoco Piano: Greco's attack *;
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 36; bm d6; c3 "Nf6"; cce -21; ce -9; pm Nf6 {989} d6 {259} a6 {18} Nge7 {3} b6 {1} h6 {1}; pv d6 O-O Nf6 Na4 Bb6 d3 O-O a3 h6 h3 Re8 b4 a6 Nxb6 cxb6 Re1 b5 Ba2 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 c4 Re8 Bd2 bxc4 dxc4 Rc8 Rc1 b5 cxb5 axb5 a4 bxa4 b5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 Qxa4 Rxc1 Bxc1 d3 Qb4 Qb6 Be3 Qb7; white_wins 493; black_wins 436; draws 301; Opening ECO:C50i; Giuoco Piano: Three Knights Variation; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Nc3 *;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2ppp/p2p2n1/4p1Bn/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP3PP1/R2QRNK1 b - - acd 35; bm Qe8; cce 42; ce -18; pm Qe8 {24} Nf6 {6} Qd7 {2}; pv Qe8 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 a5 a4 Qd8 g3 Nf6 h4 h6 Rc1 Be6 Nd2 Bxb3 Qxb3 Qd7 d4 Rfd8 Kg2 Rdb8 d5 b5 axb5 Rxb5 Qc2 Rab8 Rb1 c6 dxc6 Qxc6 Kg1 Ne7 Nec4 Qd7 Ra1 Nc6 b3; white_wins 10; black_wins 13; draws 9; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation, main line; Comment *pwo 11/01 add, straight book until 10.Ng6 (footnote 9); 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. Bb3 a6 8. Re1 Ba7 9. h3 Ne7 10. Nbd2 Ng6 11. Nf1 Nh5 12. Bg5 *;
rnbqk2r/pp1p1ppp/2p2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N5/PPPPQPPP/R1B1K1NR b KQkq - acd 30; bm O-O; ce 91; pm O-O; pv O-O Bb3 d5 d3 a5 a4 Bb4 Bd2 Bg4 Nf3 Na6 exd5 cxd5 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nc5 Rd1 Nxb3 cxb3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Qb6 O-O Bxd2 Rxd2 Qxb3 Qxe5 Qxa4 Qe4 Rfe8 Qxb7 Qb4 Qxb4 axb4; Opening Giuoco Piano: close variation *;
r1b2rk1/p4ppp/1qB2n2/2bp4/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - acd 39; bm Bxd4; ce 22; pm Bxd4; pv Bxd4 O-O Bxf2+ Rxf2 Ng4 Be3 Qxc6 Rf3 Nxe3 Rxe3 Qc5 Qe2 Be6 Qf2 Rab8 Rf1 Rfd8 Na4 Qa5 b3 d4 Rd3 Rbc8 Qd2 Qxd2 Rxd2 g6 c3 dxc3 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Nxc3 h6 Rd1 Rc8 Rc1 Kg7 Ne2 Rxc1+ Nxc1 Bf5 Ne2 Be4 Kf2; Opening Giuoco Piano: Bernstein variation *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1pp1/5n1p/6B1/2Bn4/8/PPP2PPP/RN1Q1RK1 w kq - acd 31; bm Bh4; ce 16; pm Bh4; pv Bh4 Ne6 Nc3 O-O f4 b5 Nxb5 Ba6 f5 Ng5 Qd4 d5 Bd3 c6; Opening C55:Giuoco piano, Rosentreter variation;
rnbqk2r/ppp2ppp/3p1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 30; bm O-O; ce 26; pm O-O; pv O-O a4 c6 d3 h6 O-O d5 Bb3 Re8 exd5 cxd5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 d4 Ne2 Bg4 f3 d3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qb6+ d4 Rxe6 Nf4 Ree8 Ne2 a6 h3 Rad8; Opening Giuoco Pianissimo *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p1B1/2B1P3/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R b KQkq - acd 34; bm h6; c3 "h6"; cce -26; ce -6; pm h6 {1107} Na5 {245} Bb4 {31} Be6 {30} Bg4 {20} Ne7 {3} O-O {3} Nd4 {1}; pv h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 O-O Qd8 Nd5 O-O c3 Ne7 Ne3 Bxe3 fxe3 Kh8 d4 f6 a4 a5 Qc2 Qe8 Rf2 Bd7 b3 b6 Raf1 Rd8 Qe2 Bc6 Bd3 Bb7 Qc2 Ra8 Nd2 Qc8 b4 axb4 cxb4 Kh7; white_wins 514; black_wins 433; draws 441; Opening Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Canal Variation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5; CaxtonID: 905; ECO: C50;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBP4/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 30; bm d5; ce 77; pm d5; pv d5 Bd3 Bg4 Be3 O-O O-O Qd7 a3 Bd6 Nb5 Be7 Nc3 a6 Re1; Opening C54:Giuoco Piano, Greco variation;
rnbq1k1r/pp3ppp/5n2/1Bbpp3/8/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 31; bm d4; ce 25; pm d4; pv d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nb3 Bb6 O-O Bg4 Be2 h5 Bf4 d4 Nb5 Qd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Qxd1 Bxd1 Rc8 Bd6+ Kg8 Nc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Bxd1 Raxd1 g6 Rd6 Kg7 Rfd1 b6 Be3 Rhd8 Rxd8 Rxd8 Rxd8 Nxd8; Opening Giuoco Piano: Cracow variation *;
r2qk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P1b1/2NPBN2/PPP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 b kq - acd 30; bm Nd4; c3 "Nd7"; cce 39; ce 32; pm Nd4 {32} Bb6 {8} O-O {4} a6 {4} Qe7 {1}; pv Nd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Rfb1 Rb8 Qe3 Qa5 f4 O-O fxe5 dxe5 Rf1 b6 Qe1 Qa3 Bb3 a5 Qg3 a4 Rxf6 axb3 cxb3 Qc5+ Kh1 Qxc3 Raf1 b5; white_wins 12; black_wins 16; draws 18; Opening ECO:C50; Variation Giuoco Piano (4.Nc3); Comment *pwo 12/01 nat, oob w/ 4.Nc3 Bc5, could be C55; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bc5 5. O-O d6 6. d3 Bg4 7. Be3 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 30; bm d6; cce 13; ce 24; pm O-O {107} d6 {54} Nd4 {5} a6 {2} Bb4 {1} Ng4 {1} Nxe4 {1} h6 {1}; pv d6 d3 Bg4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Nd7 h3 Bh5 Be3 Qf6 g4 Bg6 Kg2 Rfb8 Rb1 Qe7 Qd2 Bb6 b4 h5 g5 f5 a4 fxe4 Nh4 Bxe3 Qxe3 Bf7 Nxe4; white_wins 81; black_wins 86; draws 4; Opening Giuoco Piano: Four Knights variation *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/2bpp3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 31; bm exd5; ce -10; pm exd5; pv exd5 e4 d4 Bb4 Ne5 cxd5 Bb3 Nc6 O-O Be6 Bg5 Be7 Nxc6 bxc6 f3 O-O fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 dxe4 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2 Bxb3 axb3 Bxf4 Rxf4 f5 Rff1 g6 b4; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/2b1p3/4P3/1B1p4/PPPPQPPP/RNB1K1NR w KQkq - acd 31; bm Qxd3; ce -41; pm Qxd3; pv Qxd3 Qxd3 cxd3 Na6 a3 Ng4 Nh3 Nc7 Bc2 O-O b4 Bd4 Nc3 Rd8 O-O a5 bxa5 Ne6 a4 Rxa5 Ba3 Ra7 Be7 Re8 Ba3 h6 Bb3 Nf6 Kh1 Bd7 f4 Ng4 Rab1; Opening Giuoco Piano: Eisinger variation *;
r1bq1rk1/1pp2ppp/p1np1n2/2b1p3/4P3/1BPP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w - - acd 39; bm Re1; c0 "78"; c3 "Nbd2"; cce 40; ce 15; pm Nbd2 {2069} h3 {368} Re1 {155} Bg5 {105} Be3 {65} Na3 {10} Qe2 {5} d4 {5} a4 {3} Bc2 {1}; pv Re1; white_wins 1103; black_wins 860; draws 705; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bq1rk1/1pp2ppp/p1np1n2/2b1p3/4P3/1BPP1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - acd 38; bm Re8; c0 "78"; c3 "Ba7 Re8"; cce -46; ce -15; pm Ba7 {3161} b5 {218} h6 {218} Be6 {84} Bg4 {44} Qe7 {9} Re8 {8} Kh8 {7} Bd7 {5} Ra7 {4} d5 {4} Ne7 {2} Bb6 {1} Nh5 {1} Qe8 {1} a5 {1}; pv Re8 Re1 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 Qc2 Ng4 Re2 h6 b4 Ba7 a4 Qd7 Rb1 Nf6 Nf1 b5 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Rd8 h3 d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxd5 Re3 Qd7 Rbe1 Rg6 Kf1 Rd6 axb5 axb5 Rxe5 Rxd3 Re8+ Rxe8 Rxe8+ Qxe8 Qxd3 Ne5 Nxe5; white_wins 1553; black_wins 1181; draws 893; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
rn1q1rk1/ppp2ppp/8/2bNp3/4P1b1/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - acd 31; bm f5; ce -20; pm f5; pv f5 Bg5 Bxf3 Bxd8 Bxd1 Rxd1 c6 Be7 cxd5 Bxc5 Rc8 Ba3 Rxc2 O-O fxe4 dxe4 d4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Re2 e6 Rxe4 Rde1 Rxe1 Rxe1 Re8 Kf2 d3 e7 Kf7 Ke3 Nxe7 Kd2 b6 Bd6 Nf5 Rxe8 Kxe8; Opening Giuoco piano *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 39; bm h6; c3 "d6"; cce -19; ce -14; pm d6 {2653} h6 {420} O-O {330} a6 {123} Bb4 {11} Ng4 {2} Nd4 {1}; pv h6 h3; white_wins 1281; black_wins 1138; draws 1002; Opening Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Italian Four Knights Variation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.Nc3; CaxtonID: 906; ECO: C50;
rnbqr1k1/1p3pp1/2p2n1p/p1bpp3/4P3/PBNP1N2/1PP1QPPP/R1B1K2R w KQ - acd 31; bm O-O; ce -63; pm O-O; pv O-O d4 Nb1 a4 Ba2 b5 Nbd2 Ra7 Nh4 Bf8 Ndf3 c5 h3 Bd7 Bd2 Nc6 g4 Qc8 Rfc1 Rb7 Nf5 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 Rf1 Qb8 Kg2 Re8 Rad1 Qc7 Rg1 Rd8 g5 hxg5; Opening Giuoco Piano: Tarrasch variation *;
rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/5n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK1NR b KQkq - acd 30; bm c6; cce 74; ce 17; pm c6 {4} Nc6 {2} d6 {2}; pv c6 Nf3 d6 a3 O-O Ba2 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 d3 d5 Bg5 a5 Bh4 Qc7 Re1 b5 Bg3 Bd6 d4 b4 axb4 axb4 Rxa8 Rxa8 exd5 bxc3 dxe5 Nxe5; white_wins 2; black_wins 3; draws 1; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/2bP4/2BPp3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq d3 acd 31; bm Bb4; ce 7; pm Bb4; pv Bb4 Ne5 cxd5 Bb3 Nc6 O-O Be6 Bd2 a5 a3 Bxc3 Bxc3 O-O Re1 Nd7 Nxc6 bxc6 Qc1 Qc7 Bd2 a4 Ba2 Qb6 Bc3 h6 Qd2 Rfe8 h3 Qc7 Bb4 f5 Rac1 Nf6 c4 f4 cxd5; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
rnbqk2r/pp1p1ppp/2p2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - acd 31; bm Nf3; ce -27; pm Nf3; pv Nf3 d6 a3 O-O Ba2 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 h3 d5 d3 h6 a4 Qe7 b3 Rae8 a5 b5 axb6 axb6 Bb2 Ra8 Ne2 Rxa1 Qxa1 dxe4 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 exd3 cxd3 Nd7; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/5n2/2bpp3/2B5/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 31; bm Bb5+; ce -10; pm Bb5+; pv Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7+ Nbxd7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5+ Nc3 Qa6 Qe2+ Qxe2+ Ncxe2 O-O h3 Rac8 Bf4 Rfe8 O-O-O Ne5 Kb1 h6 f3 Nc6 h4 Re7 g4 Rce8 Nb3 Rxe2 Nxc5 b6 Nd3 d4 Rd2 Nd5 Rxe2 Rxe2 h5 Ne3; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBPP3/5N2/PP1B1PPP/RN1QK2R b KQkq - acd 36; bm Bxd2+; c3 "Bxd2+"; cce 17; ce 0; pm Bxd2+ {681} Nxe4 {110} d5 {5} O-O {1}; pv Bxd2+ Nbxd2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Na5 Qa4+ Nc6 Qb3; white_wins 208; black_wins 238; draws 338; Opening ECO:C54m; Giuoco Piano: 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Bd2; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 *;
r1bq1rk1/1pp2ppp/pb1p1nn1/4p3/PPN1P3/1BPP1N2/5PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - acd 37; bm Ba7; cce 23; ce -26; pm Ba7 {198} c6 {1}; pv Ba7 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ng4 Qc2 Nxe3 fxe3 Qe7 Qa2 h6 h3 Bd7 Rf2 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Kf1 Ne7 Ke2 g5 Rff1 Kg7 a5 Rad8 d4 Nc6 Nd2 Rxf1 Rxf1 exd4 exd4 e5 Nf3 exd4; white_wins 67; black_wins 77; draws 51; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation; Comment (add) *pwo (seen by CA as C53), straight book; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. b4 Bb6 7. a4 a6 8. O-O O-O 9. Nbd2 Ne7 10. Bb3 Ng6 11. Nc4 *;
r1bq1rk1/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w - - acd 37; bm a4; c3 "h3"; c4 "h3"; cce 37; ce 16; pm Bb3 {1455} Nbd2 {935} b4 {355} a4 {111} h3 {106} Re1 {83} Bg5 {80} d4 {15} Be3 {7} Na3 {3} Qe2 {2} Bb5 {1}; pv a4 a6 Re1 Ng4 Re2 Ba7 h3 Nf6 Na3 h6 b4 Nh5 Re1 Qf6 Ra2 Nf4 Kh1 Re8 Rb2 Bd7 Bb3 Rab8 Bxf4 Qxf4 Nc4 Qf6 Ne3 Ne7 a5 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 Kg1 Bxb3 Qxb3 Qg6 Rf2 Nc6 Nd2; white_wins 1279; black_wins 1029; draws 717; Opening ECO:C54i; Giuoco Pianissimo: 5.d3 d6 6.O-O O-O; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 d6 6.O-O O-O *;
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 36; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; cce -20; ce -17; pm Nf6 {5243} d6 {343} h6 {35} a6 {3} f5 {2} Na5 {1} Nge7 {1}; pv Nf6 O-O d6 c3 O-O a4 a6 b4 Ba7 h3 h6 Nbd2 Nh5 Bb3 Qf6 Nc4 Be6 Ne3 Bxb3 Qxb3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nd8 Be3 Re8 a5 c6 Qb3 Ne6 Rae1 Bxe3 fxe3 Qe7 Nd2 Red8 c4; white_wins 2048; black_wins 1803; draws 1659; Opening Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3; CaxtonID: 904; ECO: C50;
r4rk1/1ppqnpp1/3p1n1p/2b1p3/p3P3/2PP1N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQRNK1 w - - acd 41; bm Ng3; c0 "3"; c3 "Ng3"; ce 5; pm Ng3; pv Ng3 Bb6 Nh4 Qe6 Qf3 c6 Nhf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 Kh7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qd7 Nf5 Rfe8 Nxh6 Qe6 Nf5 Nxe4 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 d5 Ng3 Qg6 Nxe4 Rxe4 Rxe4 dxe4 Qf4 Qe6 Rd1 Re8 Rd6 Qxa2 Rd7 Kg8 Rxb7 Qd5 Kh2 g6 g4 Qe6 Rb4; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
rn2k2r/pp4pp/1q3p2/1N1pN3/3Pn3/5K2/PPP3PP/R1BQ3R w kq - acd 31; bm Nd3; ce -52; pm Nd3; pv Nd3 Qxb5 Re1 O-O g3 Qd7 Kg2 Nc6 c3 Rae8 Bf4 Re7 Qf3 g5 Be3 f5 Re2 Qd6 Kg1 h6 Rae1 b6 Bc1 Rff7 Be3 a6 a3 Qg6 Qg2 Qh5 Rf1 b5 Ree1; Opening Giuoco Piano: Krause variation *;
r2qr1k1/b1p2pp1/p1n1bn1p/1p1pp3/4P3/2PP1N1P/PPB1QPP1/R1B1RNK1 w - - acd 42; bm exd5; c0 "78"; c3 "Bd2"; cce 0; ce 0; pm N3h2 {3} Ng3 {2} exd5 {1}; pv exd5 Bxd5 Ne3 Be6 Nf1 Bd5; white_wins 1; black_wins 1; draws 4; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 37; bm O-O; c0 "3"; c3 "c3 O-O"; c4 "c3"; cce 24; ce 14; pm c3 {7853} Nc3 {1634} O-O {1474} Bb3 {209} Bg5 {138} Be3 {127} Nbd2 {37} h3 {14} Ng5 {8} a3 {8} Qe2 {3} a4 {2}; pv O-O O-O h3 a5 Re1 Be6 Bb5 Bb6 d4 Ne7 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 c6 Nbd2 h6 b3 Bc7 c4 Bb6 Nb1 Nh5 d5 Bd7 Bc2 Bxe3 Rxe3 Ngf4 dxc6 Bxc6 Nc3 Nf6 a3 Qe7 Re1 b6 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5; white_wins 4219; black_wins 3614; draws 3265; Opening Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Normal 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6; CaxtonID: 908; ECO: C50;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBPP3/5N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 36; bm Bd2; c3 "Nc3"; cce -22; ce 0; pm Bd2 {796} Nc3 {308} Nbd2 {57} Kf1 {6}; pv Bd2 Bxd2+ Nbxd2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Nb6 Bb3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 a5 Qc5 Bg6 a4 Nb4 Ne5 N6d5 Qb5 Nf4 Ndf3 Nbd3 Nxd3 c6 Qc4 Bxd3 Qc5 Bg6 Bc4 Bd3 Bb3; white_wins 318; black_wins 373; draws 434; Opening ECO:C54l; Giuoco Piano: 6.cxd4 Bb4+; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 48; bm d6; c3 "d6"; c4 "d6"; cce -34; ce -17; pm d6 {10815} a6 {4943} O-O {1100} a5 {137} Bb6 {121} h6 {35} Qe7 {15} Be7 {8} d5 {5}; pv d6 O-O; white_wins 6565; black_wins 5282; draws 4793; Opening Italian Game: Classical Variation. Giuoco Pianissimo 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3; CaxtonID: 868; ECO: C53;
rnbqk2r/pp1p1ppp/2p2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 30; bm d6; ce 24; pm d6; pv d6 a4 O-O d3 h6 O-O Re8 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 h3 Qb6 Qd2 a5 b3 Nbd7 Nh4 g6 Nf3 Kg7 g4 d5 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 Re7 Rad1 d4 exd4 exd4; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
r1bq1rk1/ppp1nppN/3p4/3P4/2B1R3/8/PP3PPP/R2Q2K1 b - - acd 41; bm Kxh7; ce 0; pm Kxh7 {5} Bf5 {4} Ng6 {1}; pv Kxh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Rh4 f5 Qh7+ Kf7 Rh6 Rg8 Re1 Qf8 Bb5 a6 Ree6 axb5 Rhf6+ Ke8 Rxf8+ Rxf8 Re1 Rxa2 Qxg7 Rf7 Qg8+ Rf8 Qh7 Rf7 Qg8+; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Therkatz-Herzog variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nxe4 8. O-O Bxc3 9. d5 Bf6 10. Re1 Ne7 11. Rxe4 d6 12. Bg5 Bxg5 13. Nxg5 O-O 14. Nxh7 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1P3/2Bp4/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 36; bm d5; c3 "d5"; c4 "d5"; cce -29; ce -13; pm d5 {559} Ne4 {21} Ng4 {6} Ng8 {1} Qe7 {1} d6 {1}; pv d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 f6 Nc3 O-O O-O fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qb3+ Qd5 Nxe5 Qxb3 axb3 Bxd4 Nxc6 Bf6 Ra5 Bd7 Rc5 a6 Rd1 Bxc6 Rxc6 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8 Kf1 Rd3 Rxc7 Rxb3 Ra7 Bxb2 Bxb2 Rxb2 Rxa6 Kf7 Ra4 h5 Rxe4 Rc2 f3 Rb2 Rh4 Kg6; white_wins 222; black_wins 184; draws 171; Opening ECO:C54k; Giuoco Piano: 6.e5; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/3p4/2BPn3/B1P2N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 b kq - acd 39; bm dxc4; cce 148; ce 72; pm dxc4 {8} Be6 {1}; pv dxc4 Re1 f5 Nd2 Be6 Nxe4 fxe4 Rxe4 Qd7 Qh5+ g6 Qh4 Kf7 Qh6 Bf5 Rf4 Kg8 g4 Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 gxf5 Rae8 fxg6 hxg6 Bc5 Rd8; white_wins 1; black_wins 4; draws 4; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Steinitz variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nxe4 8. O-O Bxc3 9. bxc3 d5 10. Ba3 *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/5n2/1B1pN3/1b1Pp3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm Bd7; ce 28; pm Bd7; pv Bd7 Be2 Be6 a3 Bxc3+ bxc3 Nfd7 Nxd7 Qxd7 Rb1 O-O O-O Nc6 c4 dxc4 d5 Bxd5 Bxc4 Ne7 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Rxb7 Rac8 Rd7 Nc3 Re1 Rfd8 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Be3 a6 Bg5 Rd7 h3 f5 Be3 h6; Opening Giuoco Piano: Anderssen variation *;
r1bqk2r/1ppp1ppp/p1n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 41; bm a4; c3 "O-O"; cce 42; ce 27; pm O-O {2126} Bb3 {1895} Nbd2 {763} h3 {108} b4 {29} Bg5 {17} a4 {11} d4 {8} Be3 {1} Qe2 {1}; pv a4; white_wins 1873; black_wins 1420; draws 1471; Opening ECO:C54e; Giuoco Pianissimo: 5.d3 a6; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 a6 *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/2bpp3/4P3/1BN5/PPPPQPPP/R1B1K1NR b KQkq - acd 30; bm d4; ce 66; pm d4; pv d4 Nb1 a5 Nf3 Nbd7 a4 Bd6 d3 Nc5 Nbd2 Bc7 Bc4 O-O O-O Rb8 c3 b5 axb5 cxb5 cxd4 bxc4 dxc5 cxd3 Qe3 Bb7 b3 Re8 Bb2 Bc6 h3 h6 Ba3 g5; Opening Giuoco Piano: center-holding variation *;
r1bqk2r/bpp2ppp/p1np1n2/4p3/2N1P3/1BPP1N2/PP3PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm h6; cce -67; ce -7; pm O-O {15} h6 {11} Ne7 {10} b5 {3} Be6 {1} Qe7 {1}; pv h6 Ne3 O-O O-O b5 Nh4 Na5; white_wins 14; black_wins 8; draws 18; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation (Gaprindasvili-Ciburdanidze); Comment *pwo 11/01 add, straight book but footnote 9; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. Nbd2 a6 7. Bb3 Ba7 8. Nc4 *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 37; bm O-O; c3 "O-O"; c4 "O-O"; cce 30; ce 22; pm O-O {3833} b4 {3582} Bb3 {1875} Nbd2 {1159} h3 {237} Qe2 {184} a4 {56} Be3 {48} Bg5 {32} Ng5 {3} b3 {2} d4 {2} Na3 {1}; pv O-O a5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 O-O Nbd2 Be6 a4 Qe7 h3 Nh5 Kh1 Rab8 Nh2 Nf6 Qe2 Kg7 Nhf3 Rfe8 Qd1 Rbd8 Qb3 Bb6 Rae1 Nd7 Qc2 Bc5 Bh2 Rf8 Qb3 Bb6 Qd1 Rde8 b3 Nc5 Bxe6; white_wins 4204; black_wins 3482; draws 3033; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation; Comment *pwo 3/02 bridge; 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 Bc5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. c3 d6 *;
r1bq1rk1/pp3ppp/2N2n2/1Bbp4/8/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - acd 31; bm bxc6; ce 6; pm bxc6; pv bxc6 d4 cxb5 dxc5 Re8+ Ne2 Qa5+ Bd2 b4 O-O Bg4 Re1 Qxc5 Bg5 Bxe2 Rxe2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd4 Qd1 Qxb2 Rb1 Qe5 Bxf6 Qxf6 Rxb4 Re8 Rb3 Qc6 h3 Rc8 c3 Re8 Qd4 Re1+ Kh2 Qd6+ f4 Ra1; Opening Giuoco Piano: Greco variation *;
r1bq1rk1/pp3ppp/2B2n2/2bpN3/8/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - acd 31; bm bxc6; ce -35; pm bxc6; pv bxc6 d4 Qc7 O-O Bd6 Re1 Re8 Bf4 Bf5 Bg3 Qb7 b3 h6 Qd2 Nh5 Ne2 Nxg3 Nxg3 Bh7 Re2 Qa6 a4 f6 Nd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Rxe2 Nxe2 Re8 Re1 Qb6 Qc3 Bb4; Opening Giuoco Piano *;
rnbqk2r/p2p1ppp/2p2n2/1pb1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 31; bm Be2; ce 0; pm Be2; pv Be2 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 a5 a3 O-O O-O Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ba6 Nf5 Bc8 Nd4; Opening Giuoco Piano: Bird's attack *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 40; bm a5; c3 "O-O"; c4 "O-O"; cce -43; ce -6; pm a6 {744} O-O {333} Bb6 {50} a5 {16} Be6 {6} h6 {6} Qe7 {4} Ne7 {3} Bg4 {1} Ng4 {1}; pv a5; white_wins 441; black_wins 333; draws 336; Opening ECO:C54g; Giuoco Pianissimo: 5.d3 d6 6.Nbd2; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 d6 6.Nbd2 *;
rn1q1rk1/ppp3pp/8/2bNpp1b/4P1P1/5N1P/PPPP1P2/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 31; bm gxh5; ce -71; pm gxh5; pv gxh5 fxe4 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qxd5 Be3 Bb6 h6 g6 Qd2 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O Rf7 Qc3 Qe6 Bxb6 cxb6 Qb3 Qf5 Rad1 Rf8 Rde1 Qd5 Qxd5 cxd5 Kg2 Rf5 c3 Rg5+ Kh2 Rh5; Opening Giuoco piano: Rosentreter variation *;
r1b1k1nr/ppp2ppp/2np1q2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - acd 37; bm b4; cce 85; ce 31; pm d3 {43} b4 {33} d4 {2} h3 {2} a4 {1}; pv b4 Bb6 a4 a6 d3 Ba7 Na3 Nge7 Nc2 Bg4 Ne3 Bh5 Kh1 O-O Rg1 Bxe3 Bxe3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ng6 b5 Na5 Ba2 axb5 axb5 Kh8 d4 Nh4 f4 exf4 Bxf4 Ng6 Bg3 f5 f3 fxe4 fxe4 Nf4 b6 cxb6; white_wins 34; black_wins 19; draws 25; Opening ECO:C50; Variation Giuoco Piano (4.O-O d6); Comment *pwo 3/02 book till 5...Qf6 (oob); 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. O-O d6 5. c3 Qf6 *;
r2q1rk1/p4ppp/b1B2n2/2bp4/8/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 41; bm d4; ce -143; pm d4; pv d4 Bb4; Opening Giuoco Piano: Aitken variation *;
rnb1k1nr/ppppqppp/1b1P4/4p3/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm Qxd6; cce 89; ce -47; pm Qxd6 {5}; pv Qxd6 Qxd6 cxd6 Na3 a6 Ng5 Nh6 Nc2 Nc6 a4 Ne7 O-O f6 a5 Ba7 Nf3 d5 Bxh6 gxh6 Bxd5 Nxd5 exd5 d6 Ne3 Rg8 Ra4 f5 Rh4 Rg6 Nc4 f4 Nfxe5 dxe5 Nxe5; white_wins 1; black_wins 2; draws 2; Opening ECO:C53; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Eisinger variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Qe7 5. d4 Bb6 6. d5 Nb8 7. d6 *;
rnbqk2r/ppp2ppp/3p1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - acd 30; bm Nf3; ce -15; pm Nf3; pv Nf3 c6 a4 O-O d3 Re8 O-O h6 Be3 Bb4 Bd2 d5 Bb3 Na6 h3 Nc5 Ba2 a5 exd5 cxd5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d4 Re7 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 Be6 Qf3 Qb6 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxb2; Opening Giuoco Pianissimo *;
r3r1k1/b1pq1pp1/p1n1bn1p/1p1pp3/4P3/2PP1N1P/PPBBQPP1/R3RNK1 w - - acd 41; bm a4; c0 "78"; c3 "Ng3 a4"; ce 17; pm a4; pv a4 Bb6 exd5 Bxd5 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Rxa8 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Re8 Qf4 Rxe1 Bxe1 Qc6 g4 Nh7 Ne3 Ng5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Qf5 Qa8 d4 g6 Qxb5 Nxh3+ Kf1 h5 Qe5 Qh1+ Ke2 hxg4 Be4 Ng1+ Kd1 Nf3 Qe8+ Kg7 Bd5 Qxe1+ Qxe1 Nxe1 Kxe1 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ke2 f5 b4 Be7 b5 Bc5 c4 Kf6; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1b2rk1/bpp2pp1/p1np1q1p/3np3/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - acd 43; bm Bxd5; cce 57; ce 0; pm Bxd5 {81} exd5 {69}; pv Bxd5 Qg6 Kf1 Ne7 Bb3 Kh8 Nh4 Qf6 Nf3 Qg6; white_wins 64; black_wins 45; draws 40; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation; Comment *pwo 4/01 add nat; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. O-O Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. c3 O-O 7. Bb3 a6 8. Nbd2 Ba7 9. h3 h6 10. Re1 Nh5 11. Nf1 Qf6 12. Ne3 Nf4 13. Nd5 Nxd5 *;
r1bq3r/ppp3pp/5k2/3pN3/1n1Pn3/1Q3P2/PP4PP/RN2K2R b KQ - acd 31; bm Nd6; ce -39; pm Nd6; pv Nd6 Qxb4 g6 O-O Nf7 f4 Rf8 Nd2 a5 Qc5 Qd6 Qc3 Qb4 Qe3 Kg7 a3 Qb6 Nxf7 Rxf7 Nf3 Bd7 Ne5 Re7 Rac1 Bf5 Qf2 Rae8 Rc5 Be4 g4 Kh8; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Krause variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nxe4 8. Bxb4 Nxb4 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Qb3+ d5 11. Ne5+ Kf6 12. f3 *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/3p4/2BP4/1Qb2N2/P4PPP/R1B2RK1 w kq - acd 40; bm Bxd5; ce 8; pm Bxd5; pv Bxd5 O-O Bxf7+ Rxf7 Ng5 Be6 Qxc3 Rf6 Nxe6 Rxe6 Qc4 Qf6 Rb1 Qf7 d5 Rg6 Re1 Na5 Qe4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Bf4 Rd8 Bg3 Rd4 Qe3 Rd7 a3 Nd4 Rbc1 Rc6 Rxc6 Nxc6 f3 Re7 Qd3 Rd7 Qc2 Re7 Rxe7 Qxe7 Qc4+ Qf7 Qe4 Qe7 Qxe7 Nxe7 Kf2 Kf7; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Bernstein variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nxe4 8. O-O Nxc3 9. bxc3 Bxc3 10. Qb3 d5 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b kq - acd 31; bm d6; c3 "d6"; cce -9; ce -8; pm d6 {298} O-O {279} a6 {4} h6 {3} Qe7 {2}; pv d6 d3 Na5 Bb3 O-O Re1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Bg4 Qd2 c6 d4 Bxf3 Rxf3 b5 Rg3 Nh5 Re3 Nf6 Rd1 Nxb3 axb3 b4 dxe5 Ng4 Na4 Nxe3 Qxe3; white_wins 227; black_wins 216; draws 114; Opening ECO:C50m; Giuoco Piano: 4.O-O Nf6 5.Nc3; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5.Nc3 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - acd 37; bm d3; c3 "d3"; c4 "d3"; cce 5; ce 5; pm d3 {826} d4 {348} Nc3 {131} Re1 {31} c3 {31} Ng5 {16} b4 {15} Qe2 {6} Bb5 {3} Bd5 {2} Nxe5 {2}; pv d3 d6 Re1 a5 c3 O-O h3 h6 a4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Qe8 Nbd2 Rb8 Qb3 Nh5 g3 Qf7 Qb5 Nf6 Rf1 g5 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Kh7 Qc4 Nxd4 cxd4 c6 Rf3 Rbe8 Qb3 e5 Qxf7+ Rxf7 dxe5 Rxe5; white_wins 496; black_wins 482; draws 382; Opening ECO:C50l; Giuoco Piano: 4.O-O Nf6; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 *;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2ppp/p1np1n2/4p3/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP3PP1/RNBQR1K1 b - - acd 36; bm h6; c3 "h6"; c4 "h6"; cce -44; ce -17; pm h6 {325} Be6 {209} Ne7 {81} Kh8 {59} Re8 {36} Qe7 {19} Bd7 {7} Na5 {3}; pv h6 Nbd2 Be6 a4 Nh5 d4 Bxb3 Nxb3 Nf6 Be3 exd4 Nbxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 a5 Rac1 Rc8 Nd2 Nh5 g3 Nf6 Kg2 c6 Qc3 Ra8 Kh2 Rc8 Qf3 Qd7 Kg2 b5 axb5 cxb5 Rxc8 Rxc8; white_wins 254; black_wins 185; draws 263; Opening Italian Game: Classical Variation. Giuoco Pianissimo Main line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 a6 6.Bb3 Ba7 7.h3 O-O 8.O-O d6 9.Re1; CaxtonID: 869; ECO: C53;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2ppp/p1np1n2/4p3/4P3/1BPP1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - acd 45; bm Re1; c0 "78"; c3 "h3"; cce 45; ce 14; pm h3 {2724} Nc4 {1760} Re1 {461} a4 {43} a3 {5} Ba4 {1} Bc2 {1} Ng5 {1} Qc2 {1} Qe2 {1}; pv Re1 Re8 Nf1 h6 h3 Be6 Bxe6 Rxe6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 d5 Qc2 Qd7 Rad1 Rd8 Nf5 Ree8 b4 Qe6 a4 b5 Ne3 Qd7 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Re3 f5 a5 Qd6 Ree1 Qd5 Kh2 Kh7 Kh1 Kg8 Kg1 Kh7 Kh2 Qd6 Kh1 Qd5 Rd2 Qf7 Kg1 Qd5; white_wins 2004; black_wins 1519; draws 1289; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2pp1/p1np1n1p/4p3/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP1N1PP1/R1BQ1RK1 w - - acd 37; bm Re1; c0 "78"; c3 "Re1 a4"; cce 57; ce 14; pm Re1 {1323} Nc4 {64} a4 {6} Bc2 {2}; pv Re1 Be6 Nf1 Re8 Bxe6 Rxe6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 a4 Ng6 g3 a5 Kg2 Re8 Qb3 Rb8 Nd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 c6 Qb3 b5 axb5 Rxb5 Qc2 Qb6 Reb1 Rb8 d4 Rxb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rxa5 Rb3 Ra8+ Kh7; white_wins 587; black_wins 418; draws 317; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBPP3/5N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1K1R b kq - acd 32; bm d5; c3 "Nxe4"; cce -296; ce 19; pm d5 {3} Nxe4 {2}; pv d5 exd5; white_wins 2; black_wins 0; draws 1; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Cracow variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Kf1 *;
rnbqk2r/pp3ppp/5n2/2bpp3/8/1BNP4/PPP2PPP/R1BQK1NR b KQkq - acd 30; bm Bb4; ce 48; pm Bb4; pv Bb4 a3 Ba5 Ba4+ Bd7 b4 d4 Bb3 dxc3 bxa5 Qxa5 Ne2 Na6 Bg5 Nc5 Ba2 Ne6 Bxf6 gxf6 Qb1 Bc6 f3 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O O-O Qb3 Rac8 Rfe1 b6 Qb4 Qxb4; Opening Giuoco Piano: LaBourdonnais variation *;
rnbqk2r/ppp2ppp/3p4/2b1pP2/2B1P1n1/2N5/PPPP2PP/R1BQK1NR b KQkq - acd 30; bm h5; ce 48; pm h5; pv h5 Nh3 c6 Qf3 b5 Bb3 a5 a3 Qh4+ Ke2 Qe7 d3 f6 Kd1 Bb6 Ne2 a4 Ba2 Kd8 Ng3 Qe8 Nf1 Kc7 Ne3 Nxe3+ Bxe3 Nd7 Bxb6+ Nxb6 Kc1 Bb7 Kd2 d5 Nf2 Qe7 g3; Opening Giuoco Pianissimo: Dubois variation *;
rnbq3r/pp4pp/2P2nk1/8/2Bbp3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 30; bm cxb7; ce -35; pm cxb7; pv cxb7 Bxb7 Ne2 h6 d3 Bb6 d4 Nc6 c3 Kh7 O-O Bc7 Nf4 Bc8 Qc2 Bf5 Be6 Bxe6 Nxe6 Qd6 Nxc7 Qxc7 Be3 Nb4 Qe2 Nd3 f3 Qb7 b3 Rae8 h3 a6 c4; Opening Giuoco Piano: Ghulam Kassim variation *;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2NP1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 40; bm Na4; c3 "Be3"; cce 15; ce 24; pm Bg5 {1425} Na4 {668} Be3 {339} O-O {152} h3 {148} Nd5 {62} a3 {39} Ne2 {19} Qe2 {4} Bb3 {2} Ng5 {2} Bd2 {1}; pv Na4 Bb6 a3 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 b4 Qe8 c3 Qg6 Nxb6 axb6 a4 Nh5 Kh2 h6 Nh4 Qf7 Be3 Nf6 Re1 Nh5 Nf3 Nf4 Bxf4 Qxf4+ Kg1 Ne7 Qb3 Qf7 Re3 Ng6 d4 Nf4 Kh2 Ng6 Qc2 Qe7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5; white_wins 1028; black_wins 937; draws 805; Opening ECO:C50s; Giuoco Pianissimo: Italian Four Knights, 5...d6; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - acd 41; bm O-O; c3 "d6"; c4 "d6"; cce -25; ce -13; pm d6 {1651} O-O {348} a6 {254} h6 {42} d5 {4}; pv O-O d6; white_wins 801; black_wins 677; draws 689; Opening ECO:C50p; Giuoco Pianissimo: 4.d3 Nf6 5.O-O; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.O-O *;
rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/5n2/4p3/2B1P3/2N5/PPPP1bPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - acd 36; bm Kxf2; ce 337; pm Kxf2; pv Kxf2 O-O Nf3 Nxe4+ Nxe4 d5 d4 dxc4 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Rb8 Re1 Bf5 a3 b5 d5 Ne5 Kg1 a5 Bf4 Bg4 Bxe5 fxe5 Rxe5 Bxf3 gxf3 Qf6 Re6 Qf7 Kh1 b4 Ne4 b3 c3 Qxf3+ Qxf3 Rxf3 Kg2 Rbf8 Re7 R3f7 Rxf7 Rxf7; Opening Giuoco Piano: Jerome gambit *;
r1bq1rk1/bpp1nppp/p2p1n2/4p3/2N1P3/1BPP1N2/PP3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - acd 31; bm Bg5; cce 6; ce 23; pm Bg5 {201} Nh4 {18} Be3 {8} a4 {7} Re1 {5} Ne3 {2} Bc2 {1} Qe2 {1} h3 {1}; pv Bg5 Ng6 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 h6 h3 Be6 Re1 b5 Ne3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Re8 Bxe6 Rxe6 a4 g5 Bg3 Re8 Rf3 Nh5 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Qxa8 Qb3 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Qxb5 Rb8 Qc4 Rxb2 Qxc7; white_wins 79; black_wins 76; draws 82; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation, modern main line; Comment *pwo 11/01 add, nat (most common move order), footnote 9; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. Nbd2 a6 7. Bb3 O-O 8. O-O Ba7 9. Nc4 Ne7 *;
r1b1k1nr/ppppqppp/1bn5/4p1B1/2BPP3/2P2N2/PP3PPP/RN1QK2R b KQkq - acd 31; bm Nf6; cce -172; ce -67; pm Nf6 {33} f6 {3}; pv Nf6 d5 Nb8 d6 cxd6 O-O Nc6 Na3 a6 Nc2 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6; white_wins 18; black_wins 6; draws 7; Opening ECO:C53; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Mestel variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Qe7 5. d4 Bb6 6. Bg5 *;
r1bq2k1/pp3p1p/5n2/2b1r1p1/3p4/3P1B2/PPP1NPPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 31; bm h3; ce 79; pm h3; pv h3 h5 Bd2 g4 hxg4 hxg4 Be4 Nxe4 dxe4 Rxe4 Kf1 Bd6 Nc3 Re8 Nd5 Be5 c4 Bf5 Rh5 Bg6 Qxg4 Bg7 Rg5 Qc8 Nf4 Qxg4 Rxg4 Bf5 Rg5 Re5 b3 Rae8 Rd1; Opening Giuoco Piano: Moller, bayonet attack *;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2pp1/p1np3p/4p2n/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQRNK1 b - - acd 33; bm Qf6; c3 "Qf6"; cce -67; ce 0; pm Qf6 {830} Na5 {6} Bd7 {4} Be6 {3} Nf4 {1}; pv Qf6 Ne3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Qg6 e4 Bxh3; white_wins 376; black_wins 252; draws 189; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation, main line; Comment (add) *pwo; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. Nbd2 a6 8. Bb3 Ba7 9. h3 h6 10. Re1 Nh5 11. Nf1 *;
r1bq1rk1/pp3ppp/2B2n2/2b1N3/3p4/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 31; bm Bf3; ce 44; pm Bf3; pv Bf3 Re8 Ne2 Rxe5 d3 Bg4 Bxg4 Nxg4 O-O Rc8 h3 Nf6 Rb1 Bb6 c4 dxc3 bxc3 Qd7 Rb3 h6 Nf4 Ra5 a3 Qc7 Ne2 Qc6 Bf4 Re8 Bd2 Rb5 Rxb5 Qxb5 c4 Qc6; Opening Giuoco Piano: Moller (Therkatz) attack *;
r1bqk2r/1pp2ppp/p1np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP1N1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - acd 38; bm Nf1; c3 "Bb3"; cce 68; ce 14; pm Bb3 {715} O-O {193} Nf1 {64} b4 {9} h3 {7} a3 {1} a4 {1}; pv Nf1 O-O Ng3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 b4 Bb6 O-O Qe8 Nd2 Nd7 a4 Qf7 Kh1 Qe8 Nf3 a5 b5 Ne7 d4 h6 Kg1 Qf7 Be3 Ng6 Ra2 Rad8 h3 Nf4 Kh2 Qf6 Rd2 Rf7 Re1 exd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bxb6; white_wins 414; black_wins 269; draws 265; Opening ECO:C54; Variation Giuoco Piano: d3 variation (Lasker); Comment (Chigorin-Lasker, St Petersburg, 1895, 0-1); 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. Nbd2 a6 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/8/1bBPP3/2N2N2/PP3PPP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - acd 46; bm Nxe4; c3 "Bxc3+"; cce 65; ce 30; pm Nxe4 {283} Bxc3+ {11} d5 {8} d6 {5}; pv Nxe4 O-O; white_wins 81; black_wins 122; draws 79; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Greco's attack; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 *;
r1bqk1nr/pppp2pp/2n5/2b1pp2/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 36; bm Nc3; c3 "Ng5"; ce 124; pm Nc3; pv Nc3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 Nxd5 h6 Nf3 Qd6 c3 fxe4 dxe4 Bg4 O-O Nxd5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Bxd5 Bxf3 gxf3 Rf8 b4 Be7 Be3 Rxf3 Kg2 Rf6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 O-O-O b5 Rdf8 Bg3 Rxf1 Rxf1 Rxf1 Be6+ Kd8 Kxf1 Na5; Opening Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Lucchini Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 f5; CaxtonID: 907; ECO: C50;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/2BP4/B1b2N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 b kq - acd 38; bm d5; cce -148; ce -108; pm d6 {4} Bxa1 {3} d5 {2} Qf6 {1}; pv d5 Bb5 Bxa1 Re1+ Be6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxd7+ Nxd7 Rxa1 c6 Rb1 Nb6 Bc5 Kd7 Qe2 Rhe8 Qe5 Kc8 Qxg7 Nc4 Re1 h5 Bf8 Kd7; white_wins 2; black_wins 1; draws 0; Opening ECO:C54; Opening: Giuoco Piano; Variation Aitken variation; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nxe4 8. O-O Nxc3 9. bxc3 Bxc3 10. Ba3 *;
rn1qk2r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/2bpp3/4P1b1/1BN5/PPPPQPPP/R1B1K1NR w KQkq - acd 31; bm Nf3; ce -71; pm Nf3; pv Nf3 d4 Nb1 d3 cxd3 O-O h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 a5 Nc3 Na6 a3 b5 a4 Nb4 O-O Qxd3 Qf5 bxa4 Rxa4 Rfe8 Qg5 Bd4 Qh4 Red8 Rd1 h6 Re1 Bb6 Rd1 Qd4 Re1; Opening Giuoco Piano: Mestel variation *;
r1bq1rk1/bpp2pp1/p1np1n1p/4p3/4P3/1BPP1N1P/PP1N1PP1/R1BQR1K1 b - - acd 40; bm Be6; c0 "78"; c3 "Be6 Re8"; c4 "Re8"; cce -64; ce -18; pm Nh5 {955} Be6 {580} Re8 {126} Ne7 {71} Na5 {10} Qe7 {5} Bd7 {3} Kh8 {1} Rb8 {1} g6 {1}; pv Be6 Nf1 Re8 Bxe6 Rxe6 Qc2 Qd7 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 c4 Ng6 g3 Ree8 Kg2 c6 Rad1 b6 a3 a5 Nf5 c5 b4 axb4 axb4 cxb4 Qb1 Ne7 Nxe7+ Qxe7 Qxb4 Qc7 Rb1 Nd7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Qxb6 Qxb6 Rxb6 Nxe4 Nf5; white_wins 721; black_wins 480; draws 463; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2NPBN2/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R b KQkq - acd 36; bm Bxe3; c3 "Bb6"; cce 5; ce 19; pm Bb6 {221} Bxe3 {80} O-O {14} Bb4 {10} Bg4 {7} Nd4 {7} Be6 {1} Qe7 {1}; pv Bxe3 fxe3 Na5 Bb3 c6 O-O b5 Qe1 O-O Ne2 Nxb3 axb3 a5 h3 Bd7 Qg3 h6 Kh2 Bc8 Qf2 Be6 Qg3 Re8 Nc3 Kh8 Nh4 Rg8 Nf5 Nh7 Ne2 Qc7 Qh4 f6 Qf2 d5 Nh4 Bf7 Ng3 Rad8; white_wins 107; black_wins 111; draws 111; Opening ECO:C50t; Giuoco Pianissimo: Italian Four Knights, 5...d6 6.Be3; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be3 *;
r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n5/2bB4/3p4/2P2N2/PP3nPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 34; bm Kxf2; ce -46; pm Kxf2; pv Kxf2 dxc3+ Kf1 cxb2 Bxb2 O-O Nbd2 Nb4 Ne4; Opening C53:Giuoco Piano, Ghulam Kassim variation;
r4rk1/1ppqnpp1/1b1p1n1p/4p3/p3P3/2PP1NNP/PP3PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - acd 37; bm d4; c0 "3"; c3 "d4"; ce 21; pm d4; pv d4 Qb5 Rb1 exd4 cxd4 Ng6 Qc2 Rfe8 Be3 Qc6 Qd3 Ba5 Bd2 Bxd2 d5 Qb6 Qxd2 h5 Qc3 Ne5 Rbc1 g6 Re3 Rac8 Qd2 c6 Nxe5 Rxe5 Rc4 h4 Ne2 Rce8 dxc6 Rxe4 Rcxe4 Rxe4 Qxd6 Rxe3 fxe3 Qxe3+ Kh2; Opening C54; Giuoco Piano;
r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np1n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2PP1N2/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - acd 37; bm O-O; c0 "3"; c3 "O-O a6"; c4 "a5"; cce -36; ce -12; pm O-O {2754} a6 {1943} Bb6 {423} Bg4 {107} h6 {65} Qe7 {38} a5 {19} Be6 {10} Ne7 {1}; pv O-O; white_wins 2122; black_wins 1707; draws 1327; Opening ECO:C54h; Giuoco Pianissimo: 5.d3 d6 6.O-O; 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 d6 6.O-O *;
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Ovyron wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:11 am
After that you'll have the lines that show the Italian is busted, and will be able to get book wins against opponents that play it against you. I have found no other use for those lines...
You seem to be back to claiming that Black wins after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4. Earlier you said "busted" meant that Black can more than equalize.

Surely this position is simply a draw with perfect play, so no one with decent hardware should be winning/losing with it.
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Dann Corbit wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:17 am <...snip...> acd 52; bm Bc5; c1 "03b"; c3 "Nf6"; c4 "Nf6"; c5 "Nf6"; c6 Arves.17281; cce -28; ce -22; pm Bc5 {25927} Nf6 {17503} Be7 {821} d6 {772} h6 {755} g6 {100} f5 {41} a6 {13} b6 {13} Nd4 {8} Bd6 {6} Qe7 {4} Qf6 {3} f6 {2} Bb4 {1} b5 {1} g5 {1}; pv Bc5 c3 Nf6 d3 O-O O-O d6 h3 a5 Re1 Bb6 Nbd2 h6 a4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nc4 Ba7 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Nd7 Ncd2 Qf6 Qb3 Nc5 Qc4 Nd7 Rae1 Ra6 Qb3 Nc5 Qd1 Raa8 Nc4 Nd7 Qb3 Nc5 Qc2 Qg6 d4 Rxf3 Rxf3 exd4 Rg3 d3 Qc1 Qh5 f4 Qh4 Qe3 Re8 e5; white_wins 17062; black_wins 14291; draws 12632; Opening Italian Game: General. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4; CaxtonID: 903; ECO: C50;

<...snip...> acd 48; bm d3; c3 "d3"; c4 "c3"; cce 15; ce 18; pm c3 {12528} d3 {5582} b4 {5014} O-O {1844} Nc3 {1094} d4 {77} Qe2 {69} a3 {12} Bb3 {6} Bxf7+ {5} g3 {5} Bb5 {3} Bd5 {1} Bf1 {1} Ng5 {1} Rf1 {1} b3 {1}; pv d3 Nf6 c3 d6 O-O O-O Re1 h6 h3 a5 Nbd2 Bd7 a4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nb3 Bb6 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Qe7 Nbd2 Rab8 Nc4 Nd7 Rc1 Qf7 d4 Qg6 dxe5 Ndxe5 Ncxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rf4 Rd1 Rbf8 f3 Qg5 Qf2 b6 Kh1 Rd8 Rxd8+ Qxd8 Qe2 c6 Kg1 Rf7; white_wins 9549; black_wins 8690; draws 7146; Opening Italian Game: Italian Variation. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5; CaxtonID: 911; ECO: C50;
(Emphasis mine)

Aha, so I think this is a key problem with your approach:

After the first diagram, only Nf6 and Bc5 are moves relevant to statistics, the rest of the moves can be taken out because the critical line played by black (best play) doesn't include them.

Suppose Nf6 wasn't worthy of being included, then with only Bc5 moves, the relevant games of the first diagram would be "white_wins 9549; black_wins 8690; draws 7146".

Similarly, in a future position there are thousands of games where black doesn't play best, which pollute the statistics, as you'd remove those the first diagram would show less and less games.

I wonder how it'd look like if you removed the worst scoring moves of black from statistics (because nobody in their right mind would play those moves) and if your approach would be able to find the critical line where black comes up ahead, or if the line is so deep it hasn't been played in any of the games of your statistics.

But all this shows that for players that don't know what are the best moves, it is easier for white to find them than for black.
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zullil wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:25 amYou seem to be back to claiming that Black wins after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4. Earlier you said "busted" meant that Black can more than equalize.
Black can more than equalize, and that's it, but that doesn't mean you can't get book wins as well (regardless of hardware - positions that you can use a toaster to win against the strongest Leelas and Stockfishes out there. Positions I haven't been able to find from the white side of the Italian, for instance.)
zullil wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:25 amSurely this position is simply a draw with perfect play, so no one with decent hardware should be winning/losing with it.
The strongest hardware available with the strongest software available plays still very far away from perfection. That's why the highest rated players in correspondence chess still lose games (at 3 year/game time control). The only reason draw death is perceived is because apparently, with strength comes risk aversion, so the strongest people play the safest lines, and people that have to defeat them have lose aversion, so they'll also play the safest lines against them.

There's not enough incentive to try to win at all cost.
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Ovyron wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:11 am
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmBeing the best when other do not know about it is not fun
But all the top chess players have a secret preparation and they don't share it with others, lines prepared several years ago one day have a chance to be played and take someone by surprise and win a game, otherwise, you can't find information about them anywhere.

This is the competitive nature of chess. Ironically, if you don't content you can't know the lines, but if you contend and know about the lines you don't want other contenders to know.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmI have no idea who make the best opening book
The one that gives the most book wins against what other people are using currently, and only one person has the book (unless they decide to share it with others, asked to not make the book public.) Keeping a private book strong is very hard and requires playing daily against strong opponents, nobody knows who has the strongest one until they play in a tournament.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmI read claims that white's Giuoco Piano has been busted but do not know where to find games to show that black get the advantage.
I suggest you get the strongest engine that you can and set up a book that plays the Giuoco Piano as white with the best white line you believe exists, and play in the daily Tournaments of InfinityChess. After a few days you'll be paired with someone and they'll bust your line and you'll see the moves needed to take it down.
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:57 pmThe claim that 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 is good for white also seems strange for me because I know no strong human players who play this opening.
Qf3 was found by a learning Cluster that is trying different openings and plays the most successful ones, and it was successful with Qf3. All the people from the past that think "2.Qf3 is a bad move because it sins against about all the opening rules and gives away the advantage of the first move" could have reached a lost position against that cluster, as least if taken by surprise (I was taken by surprise by it; unfortunately, or fortunately, the Cluster reached a won position and then busted it and I saved a draw, and I wasn't the only one...)
Uri Blass wrote:I do not have a gpu and I do not have a fast computer so I analyzed only with stockfish when I do not see advantage for black after
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 inspite of analyzing with default contempt that mean I can expect advantage for black even in an equal position.
You'll never get to see an engine showing black advantage for black after 3.Bc4, it requires:

1. A backsolved analysis tree like Aquarium's, Chess Openings Wizard, or Chess Opening Trainer.

2. The relevant lines (I could have never found these lines by myself, they had to be played against me.)

3. Interactive analysis (the one you use on correspondence games or Freestyle chess, that knows what positions need to be extended and what need an alternative seeked.)

4. Overriding the engine's score in leaf nodes (the hardest part as there are 0.00 positions that black is actually winning and you have to manually identify those)

After that you'll have the lines that show the Italian is busted, and will be able to get book wins against opponents that play it against you. I have found no other use for those lines...
1)Engines get stronger so do not see the basis for the confidence that I will never get an engine that show black advantage for black after 3.Bc4 and maybe somebody with strong hardware and a lot of analysis time can find advantage for black after 3.Bc4 in case there is an advantage.

2)For the surprise with 2.Qf3 I think that surprise can work mainly in fast time control.
It may be interesting if it is possible to beat strong engines in correspondence game with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 when the engines use some hours per move.

I suspect that it is impossible.
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Uri Blass wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:56 am2)For the surprise with 2.Qf3 I think that surprise can work mainly in fast time control.
It may be interesting if it is possible to beat strong engines in correspondence game with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 when the engines use some hours per move.

I suspect that it is impossible.
Would you have made this statement back in 2013? Because the strength of "strong engines at some hours per move" from then is the same as the strength of what we have today after a few minutes, so if engines from 2025 can produce moves that would beat today's engines at these time controls, it's clear someone can find those moves today and beat those engines.

From all the things I've seen called "impossible", this is one of the most likely. Perhaps Ozymandias (who was beating someone considered unbeatable at corr chess, at Freestyle time controls) could do it.
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Note that it is impossible to keep good lines as secret for a long time because there are sites that give games.

Note that If 3.Bc4 is bad then I expect black to fight for a win in ICCF world championship.

In the following game I do not see black try to win but this tournament only started in 2017
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=948298

Maybe we are going to see games when black win against 3.Bc4 in the following tournament
https://www.iccf.com/event?id=79897

Maybe we are going to see top humans use the good lines in public games.
i do not believe that it is possible to save the good lines as a secret for a long time.
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Ovyron wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:06 am
Uri Blass wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:56 am2)For the surprise with 2.Qf3 I think that surprise can work mainly in fast time control.
It may be interesting if it is possible to beat strong engines in correspondence game with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 when the engines use some hours per move.

I suspect that it is impossible.
Would you have made this statement back in 2013? Because the strength of "strong engines at some hours per move" from then is the same as the strength of what we have today after a few minutes, so if engines from 2025 can produce moves that would beat today's engines at these time controls, it's clear someone can find those moves today and beat those engines.

From all the things I've seen called "impossible", this is one of the most likely. Perhaps Ozymandias (who was beating someone considered unbeatable at corr chess, at Freestyle time controls) could do it.

The strange thing if the line 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 is good for white
is that I know of no games of players above 2500 OTB with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 because I expect top players OTB to have more motivation to analyze lines like that line to win an important tournament because they can earn a lot of money from preperation.
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Uri Blass wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:18 am
Ovyron wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:06 am
Uri Blass wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:56 am2)For the surprise with 2.Qf3 I think that surprise can work mainly in fast time control.
It may be interesting if it is possible to beat strong engines in correspondence game with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 when the engines use some hours per move.

I suspect that it is impossible.
Would you have made this statement back in 2013? Because the strength of "strong engines at some hours per move" from then is the same as the strength of what we have today after a few minutes, so if engines from 2025 can produce moves that would beat today's engines at these time controls, it's clear someone can find those moves today and beat those engines.

From all the things I've seen called "impossible", this is one of the most likely. Perhaps Ozymandias (who was beating someone considered unbeatable at corr chess, at Freestyle time controls) could do it.

The strange thing if the line 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 is good for white
is that I know of no games of players above 2500 OTB with 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 because I expect top players OTB to have more motivation to analyze lines like that line to win an important tournament because they can earn a lot of money from preperation.
This is the highest rated player to play this line in my database. The 2500 Elo player was crushed by a 1075 elo player ?! The line can not be that bad. :shock:

[pgn][Event "Alberta-ch Juniors"] [Site "Red Deer"] [Date "2002.11.02"] [Round "2"] [White "Sestic, Sasa"] [Black "Culjaga, Ivan"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C20"] [WhiteElo "2500"] [BlackElo "1075"] [PlyCount "46"] [EventDate "2002.11.02"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "5"] [EventCountry "CAN"] [SourceTitle "EXT 2017"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2016.10.25"] [SourceVersion "1"] [SourceVersionDate "2016.10.25"] [SourceQuality "1"] 1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Qe7 3. Bc4 d6 4. Nh3 Nc6 5. d3 Nb4 6. Ng5 Nxc2+ 7. Kd1 Nxa1 8. Nxf7 Be6 9. Nxh8 Bxc4 10. h3 Bb5 11. h4 Qe6 12. h5 Qxa2 13. Nc3 Qb3+ 14. Ke1 Nc2+ 15. Kf1 Nd4 16. Bd2 Nxf3 17. gxf3 Bxd3+ 18. Kg1 Qxb2 19. Kh2 Qxd2 20. Kg2 Qxc3 21. Rh2 Be7 22. f4 Bxe4+ 23. Kg1 Qe1# 0-1 [/pgn]
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